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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein with gene and Chris back at

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the para cast we are gonna welcome in

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just a moment or two one of our favorite

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guests on the para camps dr. John B

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Alexander who has a new book out and

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will talk about that and other stuff

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plus there's a fair amount of questions

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for my listeners now Christopher O'Brien

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you've been a busy bee lately you've

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been doing the convention circuit can

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give our listeners a brief summary well

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I just got back from Gallup New Mexico

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I'm it's just very difficult to describe

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a whole theater full of Navajo they're

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quite inscrutable and very stoic and

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it's very difficult to gauge how your

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presentation skills are being embraced

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by a kind of a stone-faced audience but

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evidently they did they did appreciate

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my my talk I started out by asking how

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many people eat hamburgers I was doing

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my stocks thing you know stalking the

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herd talked about cattle in our

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relationship with cattle and of course I

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like to find out how many vegetarians we

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have in the crowd and how many meat

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eaters and you know when I asked how

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many people eat hamburgers not one hand

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went up in a whole theater of people

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here and we're talking a really lovely

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old you know 20s style Broadway theater

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which is wonderful facility on my head

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and not one hand went up so I said how

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many people go to McDonald's and every

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hand in the place went up so I instantly

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knew I had quite an educational process

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that I had to under undergo here and and

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I did and evidently I said something

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that rang some bells because I had a

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number of Navajo ranchers approached me

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and talked to me afterwards and you know

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moved case of books which only helped my

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process a little bit and and a good time

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was had by all

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so no thanks for asking gene it was it

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was memorable and I was like talking

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with my First Nations brothers who

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kind of have a ride into the deal here

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in this particular continent and and it

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was good to make some new friends and

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also listen to Stanley and John the

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Navajo Rangers they had some new cases

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and some new revelations that I find

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just absolutely compelling to have two

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guys that are you know one guy that's

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actually the head of the Rangers now

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come out and talk about things that

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normally not only Native Americans don't

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talk about but regular rank-and-file law

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enforcement doesn't talk about so it was

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very good to hear their newest

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presentation and I'm really looking

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forward to dovetailing some of my

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efforts here in the future with theirs

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and we'll talk about that one when the

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time comes anyway I want to welcome to

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the dr. Alexander back to the show John

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as I mentioned in my email to you and

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gene mentioned you are one of our

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favorite guests that we have here and

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I'm really looking forward to diving

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into your book I unfortunately haven't

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had a chance to but really looking

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forward to it you know you and I have

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talked here over the past couple three

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years about some of your your journeys

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abroad and from talking to you it sounds

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so fascinating your your work you know

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in in some of the the more remote areas

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of the world

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you know dovetailing your educational

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process without of the shamans of the

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world and I can't wait to talk more

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about this okay you know questions were

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of an observation well we'll get to all

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our questions later but I just wanted to

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acknowledge that I've been I've been

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actually waiting patiently along with

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I'm sure others to hear about your

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journeys abroad and what you've learned

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and I'm I'm sure the book does go into

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quite a bit of detail about that but no

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it's so exciting our listeners out there

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and to inform them as to what what

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you've been up to where would you like

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us to start far far away well I might

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describe the book a bit it of course

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reality denied subtitle describes what

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is enclosed and it was first-hand

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experiences but

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things that can't happen but did it does

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change conventional science although I

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thoroughly acknowledge that science has

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brought us a lot of wonders and works

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most of the time but the experiences

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that are in here and it touches a wide

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wide range of phenomena including UFOs

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remote viewing near-death experience

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post-mortem communication

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psychokinesis yeah this goes on as well

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as but you brought up work with shamans

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around the world from the Amazon to the

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Andes of the Himalayas Sufis in Turkey -

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you know Asia may I point out we have

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now made all eight continents that may

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be a tad controversial because a lot of

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people think there's seven but within

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the last year they come out and

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acknowledged that New Zealand or the

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Zealandia maybe the eighth continent not

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an extract of Australia so where would

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you like to begin

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well gene let me let me throw the ball

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back in your court you know what why we

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just start at the beginning for somebody

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who needs to be acquainted with what all

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this means to them

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because we have a mixture of listeners

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here some have been with us for 11 years

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some are really experienced and some are

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tuning in for the first time for the

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benefit of those kind of tuning in for

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the first time what do you tell them I'm

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sorry is that to me yes ok we're going

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to Chris well the book is written so

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that almost every chapter up to the last

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two can be viewed independently and it

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takes on this have a wide range oh well

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let me start with you up on one you know

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my last book was your phone's miss

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conspiracies and realities I had had one

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minor sighting previous

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to that but what happened a couple years

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back you may know Chris Bledsoe or of

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that case and I had heard about him and

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Chris had told me his entire story at

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length actually taped it and it was

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quite frankly very hard to believe I

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mean it entailed meeting seeing UFOs

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meeting creepy crawlers or you know some

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sort of intelligences so some seem to be

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robotic and it did not continue or it

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did not stop with the first incident was

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a continuous and ongoing so anyway we

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had the opportunity to go now and meet

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Chris and Yvonne and the rest of the

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lovely family and so they were

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describing to us and showing us where

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you know various aspects of the event

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that went and they have a tree actually

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this in the back of the yard is quite

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big we're talking several acres and

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there was a tree there that had caught

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fire from the inside really quite quite

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strange but there seemed to have some

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healing properties so this particular

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evening as described in the book Chris

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takes Victoria and I and his daughter

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Emily down to the Cape Fear River to

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three miles from the house where the

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initial encounter had begun so what

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happens is we go down to the river

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I had parked the car up it kind of on

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the high ground had to climb fences and

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go through the mud and whatnot and he

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went down and again pointed out okay

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here's where various aspects of the

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event happened so we came back up and by

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that time is starting to get dark and so

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Chris and I are leaning against the

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left front fender of the automobile and

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he's again describing what he had seen

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at this location and suddenly he turns

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to me and goes oh I think they're here

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you know what that's a good place to

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stop for a moment just switch segments

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and then we'll get on with John B

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Alexander the book again is called

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reality denied firsthand experiences

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with things that can't happen but did in

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fact I think the scientists saying now

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that the universe as structured can't

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happen isn't it interesting with Gene

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and Chris you're in the cast we also

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buy we've got like I guess 60 or so

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different items and entails t-shirts

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jackets and stuff like that for men and

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women we have a para cast aluminum water

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continue with the story well we come up

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to this field early evening it is

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totally dark might point out we were

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watching planes fly across so we knew

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how things for transiting and Chris as I

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here and about ten seconds later this

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thing pops interview bright and goes

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zipping off to the south it did not fly

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in from someplace so that's why I

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falling in line it was very bright I

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cannot describe any specific structure

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to it and that it went when I say

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officer thing but the important aspect

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was the temporal relationship from the

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time that Chris says oh I think they're

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here and a few seconds later having the

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materialization what's your assessment

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when things like that happen my

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assessment is as assessment the book the

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last two chapters go into this in some

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detail and that is that a we have no

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idea that we are looking

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a range of phenomena and I do think they

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are all interrelated and that we have

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something that is at least as complex as

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AIDS or cancer and yet the amount of

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research resources allocated to that are

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miniscule by comparison I don't think

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we're at the point of asking the right

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questions yet and I don't even know what

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the right questions are but I think this

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deserves little serious research and

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folks ask I say I do have an agenda and

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I state this repeatedly and that is I

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think it's necessary to assist in making

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this a viable domain to have the best

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and brightest scientists get involved

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without risking their livelihood or

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reputation and yet as we know and I

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think we've got mutual friends who have

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been burned rather badly yeah we can

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talk about Scientific American what they

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should demand Bellomo atomic scientists

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you know John Mac you know the list goes

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on and on but here we have a very real

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set of phenomena that are occurring and

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yet it's almost considered taboo for

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scientists to be involved again without

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risking their reputation or livelihood

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do you see any movement in a positive

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direction in regards to this particular

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scenario where the best and the

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brightest are our slapdown and and and

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they're warned in pretty direct ways

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sometimes not to ask questions that Rock

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the status quo do you see any movement

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in a positive direction do you see the

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scientific and academic community is

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loosening up at all in regards to these

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subjects I guess I would have to say no

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no that does not mean that there are

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projects that are ongoing and some

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people carry on

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you know stepping forward and making

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pronouncements if you're going to Tom

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DeLonge but you know his group of people

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very high highly regarded stepping out

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and saying UFOs are real that of course

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is the first line of my book but then

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you look on the you know the internet

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trolls that are out there who just

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absolutely don't want to hear it now

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unfortunately that seems to bleed over

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into academia we can talk about believe

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the power of belief systems which i

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think is critically important here but I

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think people step forward routinely and

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but but the overall community scientific

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community now I don't see a any huge

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shift we are still predicated on a

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materialistic view of the universe as I

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say repeatedly in here that whatever our

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view of science is it is certainly

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either wrong or incomplete and that's

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the thesis of the book giving a

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significant number of examples of as the

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title says events that can't happen in

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favor well you kind of brought up the

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the subject is you're the last couple of

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weeks with Tom DeLonge to the stars

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Academy and I would be surprised if you

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didn't know the gentlemen all sitting on

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the dais there with DeLong I know you

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know how I'm sure and you've known how

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for quite some time a lot of people are

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looking at this and and you're getting

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quite a bit of a backlash of jaded

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comments about well it's obvious looking

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at the financial instruments and in the

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way the the paperwork is lined out with

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corporation the stock offerings and just

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the way the whole thing is unfolding

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that it looks like another

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money-grabbing sort of entertainment

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complex scenario with some pretty

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impressive names attached to it to give

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it legitimacy what what do you think is

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the the underlying goal of this

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particular effort do you think that

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there's some subterfuge that's kind of

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surrounding that goal what are your

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thoughts about it I mean on the surface

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it looks good but I'm not sure oh very

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mixed response I do as I said I do know

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several of the people I think they're

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highly honorable and whatnot I do think

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that their intended goal is to

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facilitate research in particularly in

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UFO phenomena or alternative energy

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sorts of things I also have warned

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anybody who looks at the proposal they

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read page seven very closely page seven

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is risk assessment which is phenomenally

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high for anybody to venture in there you

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risk what I do know is that they have

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certain minimum goals that they must

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meet but you're pretty high but if those

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unlike some other programs you've heard

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of in these areas where the money is

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turned over to the individual offering

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the deal to do anything that he or she

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a good deal working with the SEC in

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developing I've also seen the problems

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that you eluded to ie that may acquire

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one of the things that they are doing

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research they're talking about

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integrating this into the entertainment

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community one of the problems

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all UFO field is that it is dominated by

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folks like me or dinosaurs before we

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ahead you know I was wondering when I

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first saw the list of people that were

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involved in this particular public

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announcement I was wondering if you'd

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been offered an invitation were you

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approached no but I'm syrup on the

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periphery and have been watching this

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developed as I said I know almost all

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the players was quite well if you had

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been asked would you have accepted and

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gotten involved encourage anybody who's

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looking at this is you know I think is

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what were we were going before the break

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there is that the unique one of the

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unique aspects of it is trying to

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encourage more younger people to get

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involved and interested in these

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phenomena and that I think is

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as you're saying those Hal and I are

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about the same age and many of us are

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you know getting past the prime if you

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will so but have had a lot of experience

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and a lot of background I think it's

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important hence the reason for one of

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the reasons for writing the book is to

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pass on information I've seen I'll let

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me give you an example you may remember

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colonel bill Coleman who had been an

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assistant to the secretary of the Air

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Force and involved with a project

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Bluebook and involved and worked with

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Jack Webb and our bill had told me

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several times that he had a about a

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hundred and six or hundred and seven

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cases that were high validity high

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strangeness and that he thought he

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really ought to write them up he had

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promised to get with Lee Spiegel when we

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had a conference here in Las Vegas and

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unfortunately he transitioned and we no

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longer have access to whatever those

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hundred plus cases were that met the

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criteria of high credibility high

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strangeness that's unfortunate

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look he didn't make arrangements for

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those cases to be passed into

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responsible hands I asked about it and

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00:30:52,580 --> 00:30:48,640
they kept saying yes it was one of these

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yes we need to do that unfortunately

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00:31:00,020 --> 00:30:56,860
never was accomplished and has happened

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with a number of my friends who have

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intense personal interest that doesn't

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necessarily translate to you know family

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00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:10,600
or other relatives being interested or

628
00:31:18,330 --> 00:31:14,230
moving the the data to someplace where

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it can be collected the one exception I

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00:31:23,540 --> 00:31:21,190
think is Dave Marlar who is not that old

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you may know him

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triangular UFOs have my tacular research

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he's had an incredible library my god

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00:31:37,770 --> 00:31:33,760
has already made arrangements with the

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University of New Mexico all of that to

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00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:43,140
go into archives that are you know

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00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:47,290
ecologically protected yeah and also Lou

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Farish of course whom many of us know

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and appreciate or we knew and

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appreciated for his work with the Eureka

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00:32:01,230 --> 00:31:59,320
Springs conference every first weekend

642
00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:01,240
in April he had quite an extensive

643
00:32:08,550 --> 00:32:04,750
library and he made arrangements for all

644
00:32:12,890 --> 00:32:08,560
that wonderful research including all

645
00:32:15,090 --> 00:32:12,900
his UFO clipping service additions to be

646
00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:15,100
you know to be cataloged and passed

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00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:17,980
along and made available for researches

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00:32:23,370 --> 00:32:20,890
in the future and I think all of us you

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00:32:27,330 --> 00:32:23,380
know John you say we you might be a

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00:32:30,090 --> 00:32:27,340
dinosaur well well Jean and I are we

651
00:32:32,580 --> 00:32:30,100
could be categorized in that and that's

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00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:32,590
a particular statement as well and I

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00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:35,200
think it's important for everyone in our

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00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:37,690
generation to you know who has done the

655
00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:40,780
kind of work that's been done and over

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00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:41,950
the years that we need to make

657
00:32:47,370 --> 00:32:44,410
arrangements for our files for our books

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00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,380
for our research materials to be

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00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:50,080
carefully custodian into the into the

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00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:51,370
future and made available to other

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00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:53,950
researchers and I think that that's a

662
00:32:59,360 --> 00:32:56,710
that's a point well taken here it would

663
00:33:03,030 --> 00:32:59,370
be good to see some sort of centralized

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00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:03,040
vehicle for this this so that you know

665
00:33:07,260 --> 00:33:04,810
it's not a piecemeal that we actually

666
00:33:09,270 --> 00:33:07,270
have at least copies of this research

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00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:09,280
and information to be centralized into a

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00:33:19,860 --> 00:33:12,760
workable database and a workable vehicle

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00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:19,870
for a future research has been proposed

670
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:22,510
by a number of people and trying to get

671
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:25,330
archives particularly with digitization

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00:33:31,890 --> 00:33:28,570
where you can have interactive knowledge

673
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:31,900
based searches and be able to do it

674
00:33:36,650 --> 00:33:34,570
across the existing databases and

675
00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:36,660
integrate them somehow

676
00:33:43,010 --> 00:33:38,830
unfortunately a lot of that takes money

677
00:33:48,420 --> 00:33:43,020
and that there was a definite paucity of

678
00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:48,430
funds in the area yeah well I guess if

679
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:50,440
there's a will there's a way and you

680
00:33:55,470 --> 00:33:53,200
know we can just kind of hope for the

681
00:33:57,780 --> 00:33:55,480
best I you know when I've done quite a

682
00:34:00,300 --> 00:33:57,790
bit of study of indigenous cultures

683
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:00,310
especially here in the desert Southwest

684
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:03,490
and in every year that goes by those

685
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:05,290
cultures are losing major chunks of

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00:34:11,090 --> 00:34:07,450
their cultural heritage their their

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00:34:13,470 --> 00:34:11,100
songs their dances there are ceremonies

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00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:13,480
aspects of their old tradition is just

689
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:15,490
going by the wayside simply because

690
00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:17,649
individuals are passing along and

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00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:20,620
transitioning and they're not making or

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00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:22,679
their culture doesn't have in place

693
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,280
appropriate ways to continue you know

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00:34:32,899 --> 00:34:29,919
the education the knowledge the younger

695
00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:32,909
generations of this information and

696
00:34:40,620 --> 00:34:35,950
things that we tend to forget in that

697
00:34:43,710 --> 00:34:40,630
area is that many of these have a verbal

698
00:34:46,350 --> 00:34:43,720
or aural heritage and so you've got to

699
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:46,360
have somebody who you know whether it is

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00:34:51,690 --> 00:34:48,370
interested enough to pass it on

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00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:51,700
linguistics are also a problem we have a

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00:34:57,570 --> 00:34:54,399
number of languages that are basically

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00:35:01,920 --> 00:34:57,580
becoming extinct you have across the

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00:35:04,620 --> 00:35:01,930
world intensity or orbital's ation many

705
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:04,630
of these people protect the youngsters

706
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:07,570
as soon as they're old enough moving you

707
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:10,720
know from their natural habitat into the

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00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:15,240
cities and becoming amorphous with all

709
00:35:20,190 --> 00:35:18,130
the things that are going on there I

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00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:20,200
mean it's understandable why that would

711
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:22,510
happen but I think there needs to be a

712
00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:26,320
conscious effort made to try and capture

713
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:29,590
the original data yeah absolutely

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00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:33,040
what is your suspicion in terms of you

715
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:36,160
know ancient let's say primal knowledge

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00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:38,130
from some of these more indigenous

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00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,550
cultures do you think they really know I

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00:35:48,030 --> 00:35:44,880
mean I've always had the feeling that

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that ancient cultures that still exist

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in in in there

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00:35:54,780 --> 00:35:52,960
mortal state basically have tremendous

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knowledge that can be passed along and

723
00:35:59,820 --> 00:35:57,400
that you know we're seeing that possible

724
00:36:02,520 --> 00:35:59,830
the possibly the the death of some of

725
00:36:04,020 --> 00:36:02,530
this knowledge and culturally how much

726
00:36:05,610 --> 00:36:04,030
do you think they really know I mean

727
00:36:09,450 --> 00:36:05,620
you've been all over the world you've

728
00:36:12,930 --> 00:36:09,460
you've sat with with elders and shamans

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00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:12,940
of all kinds of a wonderful you know

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00:36:19,410 --> 00:36:17,170
ethnic the bodies of information no how

731
00:36:20,730 --> 00:36:19,420
much do you think they really do no that

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00:36:22,830 --> 00:36:20,740
would just boggle the minds of

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00:36:26,010 --> 00:36:22,840
scientists and and fly in the in the

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face of of you know modern sort of a

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modern view of reality you know before

736
00:36:32,850 --> 00:36:30,490
you answer that question

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00:36:35,540 --> 00:36:32,860
John I just wanted to take a quick break

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here and we'll get back with discussing

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indigenous cultures and such with Jean

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[Music]

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when we get dr. John B Alexander here

841
00:41:31,290 --> 00:41:27,340
you see it covers the gamut of subjects

842
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:31,300
and this may require a second show to

843
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:32,710
get to the rest of it we'll see there

844
00:41:36,420 --> 00:41:33,970
are also a number of questions from

845
00:41:40,050 --> 00:41:36,430
listeners it Chris we'll get to later

846
00:41:51,210 --> 00:41:40,060
John you want to respond to what Chris

847
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:51,220
said so far how many I think what is

848
00:42:00,570 --> 00:41:55,599
known is that the cultures across the

849
00:42:04,050 --> 00:42:00,580
world have had experiences that usually

850
00:42:07,140 --> 00:42:04,060
often cannot be explained and often you

851
00:42:10,109 --> 00:42:07,150
have folklore developed around that too

852
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:10,119
you know to try and explain it more

853
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:14,290
stories let's just bump up against what

854
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:18,250
we call the abduction phenomenon if you

855
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:20,530
will people who claim they've been taken

856
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:23,200
by ET etc got some problems with that

857
00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:25,570
but one of the things I point out is

858
00:42:32,460 --> 00:42:28,990
that stories of interactions between

859
00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:32,470
humans and centium nonhumans

860
00:42:38,849 --> 00:42:35,830
have been around since the dawn of

861
00:42:41,099 --> 00:42:38,859
history as long as humanity has been

862
00:42:43,710 --> 00:42:41,109
around that they happen to ride in a

863
00:42:46,650 --> 00:42:43,720
little silver craft and things is fairly

864
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:46,660
new wrinkle to it but these interactions

865
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:50,170
are recorded basically in every culture

866
00:42:58,530 --> 00:42:54,910
in the world throughout antiquity so I

867
00:43:00,510 --> 00:42:58,540
don't think there's any doubt about the

868
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:00,520
validity that some interactions

869
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:03,250
certainly are taking place if I digress

870
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:04,990
to the book for a moment one of the

871
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:07,599
things I point out in there well many of

872
00:43:14,490 --> 00:43:10,720
these things are you know experiences

873
00:43:17,700 --> 00:43:14,500
that I've had that this is common

874
00:43:20,250 --> 00:43:17,710
throughout you know humanity and the

875
00:43:22,770 --> 00:43:20,260
point is that I think most of the

876
00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:22,780
readers will have you know a

877
00:43:28,970 --> 00:43:25,140
relationship with at least some as

878
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:28,980
fact of many of the phenomena how

879
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:32,880
dramatic that is may vary but the point

880
00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:37,529
is this is about humanity and a critical

881
00:43:43,759 --> 00:43:40,680
aspect of it the biggest issue if you

882
00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:43,769
will has to do with belief systems and

883
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:47,700
the point is that in the West because of

884
00:43:54,529 --> 00:43:50,880
our educational system we come from a

885
00:43:57,140 --> 00:43:54,539
materialistic belief system it is that

886
00:43:59,329 --> 00:43:57,150
you know if you cut things into smaller

887
00:44:01,759 --> 00:43:59,339
and smaller pieces you'll eventually

888
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:01,769
come to the god particle some thought

889
00:44:08,180 --> 00:44:04,650
that would be the Higgs boson I also

890
00:44:10,339 --> 00:44:08,190
point out that you know we spent 18

891
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:10,349
billion dollars discovering the Higgs

892
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:13,049
boson only to find out that's using the

893
00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:16,529
Large Hadron Collider that you know

894
00:44:22,759 --> 00:44:19,049
below that suddenly you had pentaquarks

895
00:44:27,259 --> 00:44:22,769
but you have this dominant view that

896
00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:27,269
material materialist world is if you had

897
00:44:34,009 --> 00:44:30,660
asked about what do these indigenous

898
00:44:38,029 --> 00:44:34,019
societies know when I deal with shamans

899
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:38,039
in the West we look at if you believe

900
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:39,480
there's a spirit world

901
00:44:44,509 --> 00:44:42,089
it is certainly separate and distinct

902
00:44:47,930 --> 00:44:44,519
from the physical world or consensus

903
00:44:50,779 --> 00:44:47,940
reality as we know it on the other hand

904
00:44:55,279 --> 00:44:50,789
you in their cultures and one of the

905
00:44:57,859 --> 00:44:55,289
problems in interviewing shamans is that

906
00:45:01,400 --> 00:44:57,869
they can move seamlessly back and forth

907
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:01,410
between you know what's called the

908
00:45:07,069 --> 00:45:03,569
spirit world in the real world and there

909
00:45:09,499 --> 00:45:07,079
may be multiple spirit worlds but I

910
00:45:10,490 --> 00:45:09,509
think if you get into multi-dimensional

911
00:45:15,249 --> 00:45:10,500
realities

912
00:45:18,490 --> 00:45:15,259
it is the only logical aspect to explain

913
00:45:23,269 --> 00:45:18,500
you know the kinds of phenomena that are

914
00:45:26,029 --> 00:45:23,279
observed albeit Ranchod ly you know in

915
00:45:29,269 --> 00:45:26,039
what we call reality or consensus

916
00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:29,279
reality when you talk about consensus

917
00:45:34,750 --> 00:45:31,500
reality the only thing that comes to my

918
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:34,760
mind first of all is matrix

919
00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:38,050
well I talked about consensus reality

920
00:45:44,620 --> 00:45:41,990
for lily and many others when studying

921
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:44,630
consciousness agree with this and this

922
00:45:50,260 --> 00:45:46,970
is want to say consensus is that that we

923
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,270
agree for instance that we are in human

924
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:52,880
form right now talking on telephone as a

925
00:45:59,770 --> 00:45:56,210
means of communication that's going to

926
00:46:02,590 --> 00:45:59,780
be put out in other way if I touched my

927
00:46:06,359 --> 00:46:02,600
computer as only I can touch it and it's

928
00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:06,369
absolutely there a problem let me take

929
00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:09,710
digress if you will to cryptozoology for

930
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:14,990
instance interesting debate I saw today

931
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:20,410
on those Bigfoot exists or SS squash

932
00:46:26,580 --> 00:46:23,240
many of the stories that I see there

933
00:46:29,050 --> 00:46:26,590
certainly point to they say an

934
00:46:32,140 --> 00:46:29,060
interdimensional aspect of it or a

935
00:46:34,090 --> 00:46:32,150
transient one where at some point when

936
00:46:37,930 --> 00:46:34,100
the interactions are taking place they

937
00:46:42,310 --> 00:46:37,940
are just as real as our interaction here

938
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:42,320
today yet let me separate it like

939
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:45,710
totally goes away so the question then

940
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:48,770
becomes where did they go well that may

941
00:46:55,090 --> 00:46:51,680
not even be a useful question because

942
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:55,100
we're infers that we have this three

943
00:47:01,240 --> 00:46:57,170
dimensional or four if you want to throw

944
00:47:05,230 --> 00:47:01,250
in time and those are the limits of

945
00:47:07,450 --> 00:47:05,240
possibilities for interaction I suggest

946
00:47:10,510 --> 00:47:07,460
the evidence was pretty strong that no

947
00:47:15,010 --> 00:47:10,520
there's evidence of interaction in other

948
00:47:18,010 --> 00:47:15,020
dimensions as well and I think that that

949
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:18,020
dovetails into all aspects of the

950
00:47:24,090 --> 00:47:20,720
so-called paranormal or supernatural I

951
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:24,100
mean a case could be made for UFOs

952
00:47:29,859 --> 00:47:27,710
exiting this particular realm of

953
00:47:32,530 --> 00:47:29,869
consensual existence and going somewhere

954
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:32,540
else and in the same with hauntings I

955
00:47:39,490 --> 00:47:37,130
mean there's any number of so-called you

956
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:39,500
know unaccepted by the mainstream by

957
00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:41,090
science and academia

958
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:45,350
you know phenomenal events that that do

959
00:47:53,569 --> 00:47:48,690
have the appearance of morphing some

960
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:53,579
or into some other realm and they're

961
00:48:01,549 --> 00:47:57,599
just as physical as we are now problem

962
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:01,559
is when they change dramatically and

963
00:48:07,339 --> 00:48:05,280
spontaneously I think we talked about

964
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:07,349
the UFO program one of the issues I have

965
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:10,650
there with the UFO community I say well

966
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:13,980
tell me what you mean because I got a

967
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:16,410
little balls of light that are zipping

968
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:20,609
about I've got solid craft a mile or

969
00:48:27,260 --> 00:48:24,170
more across and everything in between

970
00:48:30,410 --> 00:48:27,270
I've always said it's this variability

971
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:30,420
that is problematic when you're trying

972
00:48:37,549 --> 00:48:32,730
to nail down what it is you're even

973
00:48:40,099 --> 00:48:37,559
talking about yeah and a green on

974
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:40,109
definition of terms is probably a good

975
00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:41,940
place to start to get everybody on the

976
00:48:48,140 --> 00:48:45,480
same page at least the other problem

977
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:48,150
that we have and one we touched on

978
00:48:55,069 --> 00:48:52,140
earlier and that is that we tend to deal

979
00:48:57,740 --> 00:48:55,079
with each phenomena in isolation and

980
00:49:00,319 --> 00:48:57,750
that I think is a serious error when we

981
00:49:04,099 --> 00:49:00,329
mentioned before we yeah you got UFOs

982
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:04,109
near-death experience apparitions you

983
00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:07,380
know picture phenomena but everybody

984
00:49:13,220 --> 00:49:10,740
wants them to delineate what they think

985
00:49:18,019 --> 00:49:13,230
that means of what they will put in and

986
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:18,029
what they won't know we see problem we

987
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:20,640
have in solving any of these mysteries

988
00:49:27,740 --> 00:49:24,000
and especially UFOs is that people are

989
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,750
stuck with one explanation UFOs have to

990
00:49:33,099 --> 00:49:29,520
be spaceships when you're trying to

991
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:33,109
relate UFOs to other sorts of phenomena

992
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:37,770
well some people it just doesn't doesn't

993
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:41,839
really click they may even believe in

994
00:49:47,089 --> 00:49:44,730
ghosts and such life after death but

995
00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:47,099
they can't see them as having any

996
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:50,339
connection whatsoever and that is a

997
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:56,130
serious mistake well I agree but you see

998
00:50:00,049 --> 00:49:57,960
that is also making a value judgment

999
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:00,059
about where we're going to go because

1000
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:01,770
when you have people like

1001
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:04,800
a Tom DeLonge and others who are you

1002
00:50:10,460 --> 00:50:07,760
know engaged in possible disclosure

1003
00:50:13,610 --> 00:50:10,470
they're expecting an answer in advance

1004
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:13,620
they are expecting the DT is here and

1005
00:50:18,830 --> 00:50:16,140
the government knows it and they will

1006
00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:18,840
answer all our questions solve all our

1007
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:23,400
problems I can say knowing those people

1008
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:26,400
that is not their expectation what do

1009
00:50:36,860 --> 00:50:31,110
you think they expect well I think that

1010
00:50:40,070 --> 00:50:36,870
as I said research into maybe even new

1011
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:40,080
forms of energy or different propulsion

1012
00:50:45,710 --> 00:50:43,920
systems and things of that nature is one

1013
00:50:50,510 --> 00:50:45,720
of the areas from a research perspective

1014
00:50:53,660 --> 00:50:50,520
I do know that they have have had access

1015
00:50:55,850 --> 00:50:53,670
or some other people have to some very

1016
00:50:59,660 --> 00:50:55,860
interesting cases that were generally

1017
00:51:02,660 --> 00:50:59,670
not previously known before one of ones

1018
00:51:04,820 --> 00:51:02,670
that Chris Mullin mentioned there was

1019
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:04,830
frankly new to me at the time is this

1020
00:51:12,020 --> 00:51:08,760
whole incident with Nimitz with

1021
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:12,030
interaction between pilots and sensor

1022
00:51:17,660 --> 00:51:15,450
systems will you know hard craft is it

1023
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being about let's zip something else

1024
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about for a moment and went stop zipping

1025
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we could zag no that's bad it's a bad

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1079
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

1081
00:54:11,710 --> 00:54:08,160
here's Jane Steinberg

1082
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you see their wine to convey the

1083
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erroneous impression that when there's a

1084
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bad pun that will make it but remember

1085
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I'm also a former disc jockey and disc

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jockeys well their stock and trade is

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1089
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don't ask me to recite them because I

1090
00:54:38,210 --> 00:54:35,460
probably couldn't what you see the

1091
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:38,220
reason is that they go in one ear and

1092
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,529
out the other and he doesn't listen to

1093
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:42,720
me nobody listens to me why am I here oh

1094
00:54:46,759 --> 00:54:44,609
wait a minute we're talking to dr. John

1095
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:46,769
B Alexander trying to look at the

1096
00:54:49,549 --> 00:54:47,910
frontiers of reality

1097
00:54:52,910 --> 00:54:49,559
you were saying here that you don't

1098
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:52,920
think Tom DeLonge is a disclosure et

1099
00:55:00,200 --> 00:54:56,010
advocate oh I think they would like to

1100
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:00,210
have information but I don't think again

1101
00:55:06,589 --> 00:55:02,760
knowing the others I've only talked to

1102
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:06,599
Tom wants but I say the others I I know

1103
00:55:13,849 --> 00:55:10,559
much better I think that what they're

1104
00:55:17,329 --> 00:55:13,859
after is getting out as much data as

1105
00:55:20,059 --> 00:55:17,339
they can looking for the same kinds of

1106
00:55:23,809 --> 00:55:20,069
questions that you and your audience are

1107
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:23,819
yeah yeah in a perfect world that would

1108
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:25,410
be great I mean I'd love to get a call

1109
00:55:30,670 --> 00:55:27,930
from Tom DeLonge saying hey Chris your

1110
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:30,680
idea for a you know a multi

1111
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:33,569
instrumentalist array in a hotspot area

1112
00:55:38,779 --> 00:55:35,910
is a great idea how much do you need to

1113
00:55:40,759 --> 00:55:38,789
make it happen what sort of expertise

1114
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:40,769
and you know what kind of consultants

1115
00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:43,740
would you require let's make it happen I

1116
00:55:51,819 --> 00:55:46,230
would take him very seriously if he said

1117
00:55:54,259 --> 00:55:51,829
that I'm not sure let me go back to the

1118
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:54,269
you know when you get to the funding

1119
00:55:59,509 --> 00:55:57,359
issue my guess is the figure I use in

1120
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,519
the book and I pulled all of my ass I

1121
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:01,440
agree with that but it's very kind of a

1122
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:04,049
knowledgeable guess is there's probably

1123
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:08,460
less than ten million dollars a year put

1124
00:56:18,529 --> 00:56:13,369
into research into all phenomena

1125
00:56:21,499 --> 00:56:18,539
globally globally when you compare that

1126
00:56:25,789 --> 00:56:21,509
to the amount of money that's used

1127
00:56:29,329 --> 00:56:25,799
in rare diseases it is minuscule and yet

1128
00:56:33,799 --> 00:56:29,339
we are trying to tackle problems that

1129
00:56:36,409 --> 00:56:33,809
are just infinitely complex and to get

1130
00:56:38,569 --> 00:56:36,419
more to your point is yeah that might be

1131
00:56:41,479 --> 00:56:38,579
interested but are interesting but do

1132
00:56:43,729 --> 00:56:41,489
you understand that there's probably a

1133
00:56:47,929 --> 00:56:43,739
thousand such proposals instantly

1134
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:47,939
available which ones you choose right

1135
00:56:56,229 --> 00:56:53,130
but I think I think some are a little

1136
00:57:00,169 --> 00:56:56,239
bit more well thought out than others

1137
00:57:02,959 --> 00:57:00,179
and what you do I remember I used to

1138
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:02,969
work my last job in the military was

1139
00:57:09,259 --> 00:57:05,359
director of advanced system concepts

1140
00:57:12,469 --> 00:57:09,269
army laboratory commands and we dealt

1141
00:57:15,439 --> 00:57:12,479
with the entire technology base and

1142
00:57:18,349 --> 00:57:15,449
about every technology that you can

1143
00:57:21,979 --> 00:57:18,359
imagine and you have a one to end

1144
00:57:26,479 --> 00:57:21,989
priority list how is it you decide which

1145
00:57:29,209 --> 00:57:26,489
areas to fund and just like the military

1146
00:57:33,259 --> 00:57:29,219
and I've used this argument with the UFO

1147
00:57:36,379 --> 00:57:33,269
research of the military as well you run

1148
00:57:39,859 --> 00:57:36,389
out of money long before you run out of

1149
00:57:42,529 --> 00:57:39,869
good ideas to research that's true but

1150
00:57:45,499 --> 00:57:42,539
then there's also that whole axiom a

1151
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:45,509
bang for the buck I mean where is money

1152
00:57:55,489 --> 00:57:50,329
a best spent and you know you have to

1153
00:57:57,019 --> 00:57:55,499
for determining and that's what we did

1154
00:58:00,159 --> 00:57:57,029
again if we go back to the military

1155
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:00,169
there was a whole talking about a matrix

1156
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:03,839
matrix for determination of where

1157
00:58:09,139 --> 00:58:07,169
dollars are going to be spent the

1158
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:09,149
problem with the issue that we're

1159
00:58:15,469 --> 00:58:11,609
talking about here is the amount of

1160
00:58:18,879 --> 00:58:15,479
money available is absolutely miniscule

1161
00:58:23,149 --> 00:58:18,889
one of the issues that I do address in

1162
00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:23,159
reality tonight at the end is just that

1163
00:58:28,819 --> 00:58:26,339
above funding and so my experience has

1164
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:28,829
been and continues to be that you have

1165
00:58:34,670 --> 00:58:31,130
had a number of dilettante who have

1166
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,680
personal interests in specific areas

1167
00:58:39,830 --> 00:58:36,960
and they are willing to put money into

1168
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:39,840
but they delineate what are the areas

1169
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:42,930
they can be research no it is

1170
00:58:48,140 --> 00:58:46,170
unfortunate because they ought to be

1171
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:48,150
interconnected it was thought to be pull

1172
00:58:54,740 --> 00:58:51,090
pulling resources the other problem

1173
00:58:56,330 --> 00:58:54,750
associated with that is that when you

1174
00:59:00,620 --> 00:58:56,340
have people who are interested in doing

1175
00:59:03,490 --> 00:59:00,630
research they're also very protective of

1176
00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:03,500
whatever their source of resources

1177
00:59:09,860 --> 00:59:07,500
funding sources are and for good reason

1178
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:09,870
there's very little money to go around

1179
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:13,890
and so pooling ideas and picking the

1180
00:59:18,050 --> 00:59:16,170
best one is not generally the way it's

1181
00:59:21,980 --> 00:59:18,060
going to go rather it's going to be

1182
00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:21,990
based on personal relationships and the

1183
00:59:32,750 --> 00:59:25,140
specific interest of the individual

1184
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:32,760
providing the money right I saw a UFO I

1185
00:59:37,340 --> 00:59:35,370
had a near-death experience you know

1186
00:59:39,950 --> 00:59:37,350
pick your phenomena but just one this

1187
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:39,960
something that drives them to have

1188
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:42,450
specific interests and as long as it's

1189
00:59:47,420 --> 00:59:44,610
their money they have every right to

1190
00:59:47,870 --> 00:59:47,430
dictate you know how it's going to be

1191
00:59:50,270 --> 00:59:47,880
spent

1192
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:50,280
right and it's kind of hard not to bring

1193
00:59:55,550 --> 00:59:53,280
up Robert Bigelow in that particular

1194
00:59:58,730 --> 00:59:55,560
conversation you know people have been

1195
01:00:00,200 --> 00:59:58,740
very down on you know the whole needs

1196
01:00:03,110 --> 01:00:00,210
effort for instance which you were

1197
01:00:04,730 --> 01:00:03,120
fairly closely involved with and you

1198
01:00:07,550 --> 01:00:04,740
know I had to remind people look this

1199
01:00:09,740 --> 01:00:07,560
guy is putting up his money and he can

1200
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:09,750
do whatever the heck he wants with the

1201
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,330
results that he gets from his funding of

1202
01:00:19,790 --> 01:00:14,880
a particular scientific effort and he

1203
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:19,800
has a great deal of it was of course

1204
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:21,090
until we know the width and the breadth

1205
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:23,370
of the overall amount of data that was

1206
01:00:27,950 --> 01:00:24,720
collected we'll never know if we sure

1207
01:00:30,590 --> 01:00:27,960
but I agree that you have to approach

1208
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,600
this thing you know from a very sober

1209
01:00:34,850 --> 01:00:32,400
and sort of you have to realize that

1210
01:00:37,010 --> 01:00:34,860
look people are they're putting up money

1211
01:00:38,780 --> 01:00:37,020
they they have a right to dictate how

1212
01:00:40,580 --> 01:00:38,790
that money is spent and they do have a

1213
01:00:43,690 --> 01:00:40,590
certain amount of control over the

1214
01:00:45,789 --> 01:00:43,700
results of data collected and and

1215
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:45,799
whatever conclusions are drawn from the

1216
01:00:53,049 --> 01:00:49,730
research but I do think that we do have

1217
01:00:57,010 --> 01:00:53,059
some well intentioned efforts out there

1218
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:57,020
that deserve you know deserve some you

1219
01:01:02,770 --> 01:00:59,839
know some at least somebody take a look

1220
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:02,780
at you know proposals and in and look at

1221
01:01:06,609 --> 01:01:04,609
what the intention is and what the

1222
01:01:09,690 --> 01:01:06,619
hypotheses are that are being proposed

1223
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:09,700
and really you know take these efforts

1224
01:01:14,740 --> 01:01:12,319
seriously you know you mentioned a ten

1225
01:01:17,230 --> 01:01:14,750
million dollar if you talk about an

1226
01:01:20,620 --> 01:01:17,240
issue where you have outside funding

1227
01:01:24,579 --> 01:01:20,630
that's not earmark it doesn't come from

1228
01:01:27,220 --> 01:01:24,589
an individual and fact is did some of

1229
01:01:29,770 --> 01:01:27,230
that in looking at various proposals and

1230
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:29,780
we frankly had the scientific knowledge

1231
01:01:37,420 --> 01:01:33,490
necessary to make reasonable decisions

1232
01:01:40,329 --> 01:01:37,430
on how to proceed but again you're back

1233
01:01:42,930 --> 01:01:40,339
to small amounts of money intense

1234
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:42,940
competition for resources

1235
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:45,680
everybody's got good ideas you also have

1236
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:48,559
the survival aspect of it and I'm

1237
01:01:54,099 --> 01:01:51,920
talking here about you know monetary

1238
01:01:56,319 --> 01:01:54,109
survival the individual meaning that the

1239
01:01:58,930 --> 01:01:56,329
research that I could still get emails

1240
01:02:01,450 --> 01:01:58,940
I'm sure you know people as well who say

1241
01:02:04,539 --> 01:02:01,460
how can I get into this field how can I

1242
01:02:13,420 --> 01:02:04,549
get a job doing it the answer is very

1243
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:13,430
rare well that's the point and so you

1244
01:02:20,589 --> 01:02:16,730
can understand why they would jealously

1245
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,599
guard access to such resources problem

1246
01:02:25,930 --> 01:02:23,119
with that is the one Chris I think was

1247
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:25,940
just pointing out is that you don't

1248
01:02:33,609 --> 01:02:29,839
share the data all right all right well

1249
01:02:36,250 --> 01:02:33,619
hey whatever I do is open you know I

1250
01:02:39,339 --> 01:02:36,260
mean you know my database that I've been

1251
01:02:41,289 --> 01:02:39,349
you know that I spent ten solid years of

1252
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:41,299
my life and a lot a lot of funds and a

1253
01:02:46,930 --> 01:02:44,750
lot of time a lot of sweat equity is

1254
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:46,940
open to anybody that's interested enough

1255
01:02:52,030 --> 01:02:50,480
to to peruse the data and I tried to

1256
01:02:54,250 --> 01:02:52,040
alleviate the garbage in garbage out

1257
01:02:57,010 --> 01:02:54,260
scenario as

1258
01:03:00,120 --> 01:02:57,020
as much as possible and I do think that

1259
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:00,130
my particular altruistic intentions

1260
01:03:07,660 --> 01:03:04,400
should be adopted by others who are

1261
01:03:10,180 --> 01:03:07,670
proprietary with with the information

1262
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:10,190
that they're holding or data that

1263
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:12,890
they're collecting you know I must point

1264
01:03:17,140 --> 01:03:14,240
out though that you mentioned ten

1265
01:03:19,030 --> 01:03:17,150
million dollars as a you know just kind

1266
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:19,040
of a you just sue that that particular

1267
01:03:23,890 --> 01:03:22,010
figure out there as a as a figure I mean

1268
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:23,900
let's put this into perspective we're

1269
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talking about ten cruise missiles here

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before we go on with the cruise missiles

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segue blows we kind of blew up in your

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face didn't it Jean a ten million

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dollars I think is a bit of a it might

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be an idealized amount I think the the

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amount is actually far smaller but put

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it into context of the kind of money

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with this government spent there are

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quite a few small pockets with

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particularly when you look around the

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world yeah also point out that again you

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get back to the materialistic view that

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with a Large Hadron Collider we put in

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eighteen billion so far looking for this

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god particle which frankly all barely of

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interest anybody but a few theoretical

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physicists that may compare that with

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continuation of consciousness beyond

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physical death and the point there is an

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ought to be of importance to a hundred

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percent of the population yet gets

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almost no serious research into it well

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again yeah you are talking about a

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number of potential investigation type

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projects

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in a variety of subjects and you know

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the UFO subject is just one of many and

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if you add them all up you know possibly

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we're dealing with you know a 10 million

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dollar figure I still think that's high

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there's a lot of fair number of

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philanthropists who put

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small pockets of money into it if you

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take noetic Sciences for instance that's

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one that's up and running and I'm not

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sure what their budget is but pretty

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good Fetzer Foundation is another one

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that's been ongoing for decades in fact

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there this weekend having a conference

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on consciousness in the UK and there are

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foreign ones as well but I guess the

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bottom line is whatever it is it is

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01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:33,350
small compared to the impact that

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01:10:40,490 --> 01:10:38,370
research in these areas should have yeah

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and you would think that because as you

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pointed out that these are subjects that

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you know unlike the something as

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esoterica CERN or the Large Hadron

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Collider I mean these are subjects that

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01:10:56,060 --> 01:10:53,640
really should interest a majority of the

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population I mean everybody has a an

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01:11:02,180 --> 01:10:59,580
interest in where we transition to and

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01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:02,190
when we die I mean this is this should

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01:11:07,070 --> 01:11:05,250
be a universally accepted subject that

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that you would think that the more

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people would you know be interested in

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in funding these types of efforts and in

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funding you know projects that are

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01:11:20,590 --> 01:11:17,340
related to that particular subject you

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01:11:24,770 --> 01:11:20,600
know just parapsychology in general

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01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:24,780
there are certain considerations in this

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and that there are institutions mega

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ones particularly ones like religion and

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which they really don't want the answers

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and what they want to do is be the

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purveyor

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information and what you should know

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01:11:45,470 --> 01:11:42,600
about it and you find that when you get

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to sitiing areas like near-death

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01:11:52,940 --> 01:11:49,140
experience or if we deal with shamans

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01:11:53,570 --> 01:11:52,950
experience we've had with Hosko or

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01:11:57,500 --> 01:11:53,580
things like that

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01:12:00,050 --> 01:11:57,510
the point is allowing direct personal

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experience of the individual between

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themselves and alternative reality

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supreme beings God however you want to

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01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:10,230
name that all right that's not

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considered a good thing and they want to

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be able to control the information going

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because it's power exactly like you're

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01:12:24,410 --> 01:12:23,100
not gonna see the Vatican funding you

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01:12:26,330 --> 01:12:24,420
know some sort of research into

1464
01:12:28,220 --> 01:12:26,340
near-death experiences because it might

1465
01:12:31,580 --> 01:12:28,230
fly in the face of you know the whole

1466
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:31,590
underpinnings of Christianity I mean

1467
01:12:38,180 --> 01:12:35,280
that this does kind of fall into an area

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01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,190
that that is fairly controversial I

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think in many people's minds people

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don't want their belief systems to be

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rocked and so why fund something that

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potentially has that capability of

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rocking you know one's reality view or

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01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:54,470
religious view of the afterlife and

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01:12:59,810 --> 01:12:57,300
highly politicized which i think is

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01:13:02,030 --> 01:12:59,820
right Jordan early unfortunate

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01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:02,040
I was playing out another program the

1478
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:04,410
other day that for from a Christian

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perspective if the founder returned I

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don't think he'd recognize the

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institution as it exists today no I

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01:13:20,300 --> 01:13:17,760
would have to absolutely agree with that

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01:13:23,300 --> 01:13:20,310
what are some of the other areas and we

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01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:23,310
already denied that you'd like to bring

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01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:26,010
to our listeners attention I again I

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01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:29,130
apologize for not having dr. dove into

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01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:31,500
the book which I will as I have with all

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01:13:36,020 --> 01:13:33,510
your books but what are some of the

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01:13:38,990 --> 01:13:36,030
other areas that are could be considered

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eye openers for our audience here areas

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01:13:44,510 --> 01:13:41,790
that perhaps people might be surprised

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01:13:48,290 --> 01:13:44,520
that you were even interested in well I

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01:13:49,550 --> 01:13:48,300
may do one this kind of a an interesting

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01:13:52,700 --> 01:13:49,560
story

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01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:52,710
getting close to Halloween but I have

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01:14:00,050 --> 01:13:56,610
one there about a physical interaction

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01:14:02,450 --> 01:14:00,060
with a ghost and this is one of the

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01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:02,460
chapters where I said go to hell it

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happens to be the chapter what happened

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as I was at Fort Benning Georgia which

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is located in Columbus Georgia right

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01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:15,300
next to it and going to school had a lot

1503
01:14:22,130 --> 01:14:18,540
of free time entering into working with

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01:14:25,070 --> 01:14:22,140
some local people interested in psychics

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01:14:27,290 --> 01:14:25,080
and we got invited to a house in Phoenix

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01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:27,300
Arizona I'm sorry

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Phoenix Alabama which is right across

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01:14:39,170 --> 01:14:34,470
the Chattahoochee River from Columbus

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01:14:41,810 --> 01:14:39,180
Georgia and we arrived at the house had

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a medium that I had worked extensively

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01:14:48,620 --> 01:14:45,750
with and we walk in we knew very little

1512
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:48,630
about it except something was going on

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01:14:54,830 --> 01:14:52,320
there and she immediately says Oh some

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woman died here and whatnot then turns

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out we had not known this before the

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01:15:02,650 --> 01:15:00,750
woman had died of cancer and they had

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rearranged the house two-story house

1518
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:06,630
because of lengthy and very ugly illness

1519
01:15:13,670 --> 01:15:10,170
she had died in there but that did not

1520
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seem to be you know the main issue we

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knew and had been told that there was

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potentially a homicide that had taken

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01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:23,640
place there went upstairs and won't go

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in the book I describe exactly how the

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building is laid out which was very very

1526
01:15:35,330 --> 01:15:32,160
strange but ended up I'm standing there

1527
01:15:38,270 --> 01:15:35,340
and I can feel something pushing on me

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from behind it turns out that the owner

1529
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said that's where the door used to be

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the next day the medium I had been

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working with had bruises on her bodies

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that she was being beat so we we had

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gone downstairs and are you familiar

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he used on a

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the word jerk well it's like that

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except there with what it would have is

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ball bearings on the back and put a pen

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writing at a very fast pace all of a

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sudden the door swings open the

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handwriting changed dramatically and

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says go to hell and then the door slams

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shut again

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this is Robert Hastings author of UFOs

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and nukes and you're listening to the

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podcast the gold standard of paranormal

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radio

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if Chris O'Brien taken over by a

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mysterious entity just as he was about

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to ask an important question the cat got

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his tongue okay so you had an experience

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that obviously can't be readily

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01:21:31,850 --> 01:21:28,980
explained you've described you know the

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the scenario and you've described the

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surroundings and and there is no logical

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explanation where do you come down on an

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experience like that what what do you

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think what what do you think what forces

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are operative here

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well obviously don't know the type of

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thing I think needs to be more

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thoroughly researched the issue here is

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01:21:56,630 --> 01:21:53,160
the event absolutely occurs does appear

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01:21:59,840 --> 01:21:56,640
that the information was being derived

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01:22:03,890 --> 01:21:59,850
from a discordant entity of some kind I

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01:22:08,150 --> 01:22:03,900
am absolutely sure it does not originate

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01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:08,160
with a friend of mine the medium who was

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01:22:14,150 --> 01:22:11,850
there and shook her pretty badly as I

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01:22:16,970 --> 01:22:14,160
mentioned earlier to the point where she

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was actually bruised up the following

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01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:20,570
day or that's when the bruises appeared

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01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:24,480
so you have the whole and then I've got

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01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:26,730
throughout the book numbers of tales

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01:22:34,670 --> 01:22:31,370
about interactions with discarnate

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01:22:38,510 --> 01:22:34,680
individuals can you explain it now this

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01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:38,520
is why we need to get involved now is

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01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:40,170
there a connection say between

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01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:42,930
discarnate individuals as we're

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01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:46,800
describing here and things we discussed

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01:22:55,460 --> 01:22:50,960
earlier like non-human intelligences and

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01:22:57,950 --> 01:22:55,470
interacted with society no idea but it

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01:23:00,890 --> 01:22:57,960
would be fascinating to get in and

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01:23:03,979 --> 01:23:00,900
research something seriously but the

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01:23:08,420 --> 01:23:03,989
problem at the moment my view is that

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01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:08,430
our society is barely open to the

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01:23:14,150 --> 01:23:11,970
possibility that any of these exist let

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01:23:16,810 --> 01:23:14,160
alone that there's a some sort of

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01:23:19,930 --> 01:23:16,820
interactive process that ought to be

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01:23:22,610 --> 01:23:19,940
understood researched and understood I

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01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:22,620
want to get to just a few other things

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01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:24,730
here because we covered

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01:23:30,810 --> 01:23:27,010
briefly the near-death experience

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01:23:32,430 --> 01:23:30,820
phenomenon you mentioned earlier and I

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01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:32,440
wanted to dovetail that to the other

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01:23:39,290 --> 01:23:36,250
phenomenon UFO abductions because we've

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01:23:41,610 --> 01:23:39,300
covered this from time to time about a

1713
01:23:42,590 --> 01:23:41,620
relationship between the two which seems

1714
01:23:46,050 --> 01:23:42,600
kind of screwy

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01:23:49,979 --> 01:23:46,060
but if they're all caused by a similar

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01:23:51,290 --> 01:23:49,989
phenomenon what's going on here well we

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01:23:55,070 --> 01:23:51,300
don't know what the causal relationship

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01:23:58,490 --> 01:23:55,080
is or firmly that there is a

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01:24:04,140 --> 01:23:58,500
relationship between them highly suspect

1720
01:24:07,890 --> 01:24:04,150
that it is but this is the sort of thing

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01:24:10,979 --> 01:24:07,900
that is worthy of you know exploration

1722
01:24:14,670 --> 01:24:10,989
again we mentioned earlier that these

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01:24:17,670 --> 01:24:14,680
sorts of interactions you know are

1724
01:24:21,870 --> 01:24:17,680
reported throughout human history and

1725
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:21,880
yet we've done a very poor job of you

1726
01:24:30,060 --> 01:24:25,570
know cataloguing experiences most of it

1727
01:24:33,450 --> 01:24:30,070
is purely anecdotal now we do have a few

1728
01:24:36,030 --> 01:24:33,460
cases and say near-death experience in

1729
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:36,040
which the individual is absolutely

1730
01:24:45,740 --> 01:24:39,810
instrumented so that you know for sure

1731
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:45,750
what their physiological state is and

1732
01:24:52,770 --> 01:24:48,730
one of the most famous of course is the

1733
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:52,780
Pam Reynolds case was a young lady who

1734
01:24:59,400 --> 01:24:55,920
had an aneurysm deep in her brain had

1735
01:25:03,810 --> 01:24:59,410
about a 50-50 chance of survival on a

1736
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:03,820
very delicate operation but it is one in

1737
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:11,050
which they had to stop her body drain

1738
01:25:20,250 --> 01:25:15,280
the blood and so we have absolute

1739
01:25:22,830 --> 01:25:20,260
sensation of breathing we have blood is

1740
01:25:25,260 --> 01:25:22,840
going out the heart is stopped and they

1741
01:25:28,110 --> 01:25:25,270
also had a statistical pond so you're

1742
01:25:31,229 --> 01:25:28,120
measuring the electrical electrical

1743
01:25:34,140 --> 01:25:31,239
activity of the brain brain activity is

1744
01:25:39,130 --> 01:25:34,150
stopped now by all medical standards

1745
01:25:46,340 --> 01:25:43,459
that's death and yet she is explaining

1746
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:46,350
to us you know exactly where people

1747
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:49,770
stood what happened anecdotally she was

1748
01:25:55,580 --> 01:25:51,810
not appreciative that they played the

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01:25:58,130 --> 01:25:55,590
Hotel California which list lurex

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01:26:00,250 --> 01:25:58,140
includes you check in but you can never

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check out

1752
01:26:08,150 --> 01:26:05,969
that's rather rude yeah but what is of

1753
01:26:10,580 --> 01:26:08,160
interest to me is that we have recently

1754
01:26:11,689 --> 01:26:10,590
come across another case and described

1755
01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:11,699
this one in the book

1756
01:26:18,110 --> 01:26:15,199
with the same thing where you know the

1757
01:26:20,570 --> 01:26:18,120
individual is totally instrumented

1758
01:26:24,459 --> 01:26:20,580
throughout so you know the state of

1759
01:26:28,270 --> 01:26:24,469
their physiology and yet cognitive

1760
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:28,280
capabilities continue how you do that

1761
01:26:33,740 --> 01:26:31,530
particularly if one says the brain and

1762
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:33,750
the wines are the same things which I

1763
01:26:39,020 --> 01:26:35,370
would argue there or not

1764
01:26:41,689 --> 01:26:39,030
yeah no obviously I you know speaking

1765
01:26:44,810 --> 01:26:41,699
from my own personal experience I died

1766
01:26:49,970 --> 01:26:44,820
for four or five minutes several years

1767
01:26:52,910 --> 01:26:49,980
ago from a respiratory failure being at

1768
01:26:56,900 --> 01:26:52,920
high altitude with respiratory health

1769
01:26:59,090 --> 01:26:56,910
issues and and my lungs cease to

1770
01:27:01,600 --> 01:26:59,100
function and and just I guess by the

1771
01:27:03,860 --> 01:27:01,610
grace of God or whomever or whatever

1772
01:27:09,530 --> 01:27:03,870
EMTs were able to get there in time and

1773
01:27:11,660 --> 01:27:09,540
revived me and when I came back you know

1774
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:11,670
I you know they told me I'd look like

1775
01:27:14,060 --> 01:27:12,930
I've been buried for three days and

1776
01:27:16,420 --> 01:27:14,070
somebody had dug me up

1777
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:16,430
I was totally blue my lips were black

1778
01:27:24,740 --> 01:27:20,610
there was no pain response when they

1779
01:27:26,510 --> 01:27:24,750
initially go out there and you know I

1780
01:27:29,900 --> 01:27:26,520
thought oh my god you know I've had a

1781
01:27:32,180 --> 01:27:29,910
near-death experience but you know did I

1782
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:32,190
see a tunnel of light was my brother

1783
01:27:38,180 --> 01:27:35,210
there you know wanting to toast my

1784
01:27:40,250 --> 01:27:38,190
transition into the afterlife did I you

1785
01:27:45,470 --> 01:27:40,260
know have a you know a chorus of angels

1786
01:27:47,660 --> 01:27:45,480
singing me into into some other place no

1787
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:47,670
I had a complete deal complete blackness

1788
01:27:52,710 --> 01:27:49,330
a void

1789
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:52,720
importantly that is the norm I don't

1790
01:27:58,350 --> 01:27:55,330
want to bring something up here kind of

1791
01:28:02,450 --> 01:27:58,360
changes of the equations guys okay this

1792
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:02,460
is story they came out a few months ago

1793
01:28:09,060 --> 01:28:05,530
and I have the ABC News version here

1794
01:28:12,180 --> 01:28:09,070
study brains function in clinically dead

1795
01:28:14,610 --> 01:28:12,190
a British scientist studying heart

1796
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:14,620
attack patients says he is finding

1797
01:28:20,190 --> 01:28:16,890
evidence that suggests that

1798
01:28:22,350 --> 01:28:20,200
consciousness may continue after the

1799
01:28:25,140 --> 01:28:22,360
brain is stopped functioning and a

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01:28:27,750 --> 01:28:25,150
patient is clinically dead the research

1801
01:28:30,410 --> 01:28:27,760
presented in scientists at the

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01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:30,420
California Institute of Technology

1803
01:28:35,190 --> 01:28:32,800
resurrects the debate over whether there

1804
01:28:38,510 --> 01:28:35,200
is life after death and whether and

1805
01:28:41,910 --> 01:28:38,520
there is such a thing as the human soul

1806
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:41,920
talking about eight seconds by the way

1807
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:45,010
if you want a rather grim study that was

1808
01:28:49,980 --> 01:28:47,410
done was during the French Revolution

1809
01:28:52,290 --> 01:28:49,990
the use of the guillotine where there

1810
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:52,300
was a guy who would pick up heads and

1811
01:28:58,230 --> 01:28:55,210
look at them and say that the lips would

1812
01:29:00,690 --> 01:28:58,240
try to form words indicating what he

1813
01:29:04,440 --> 01:29:00,700
thought was some sort of consciousness

1814
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:04,450
after decapitation but we're talking on

1815
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:06,010
something is really considerably

1816
01:29:14,430 --> 01:29:10,650
different because of you know take Evan

1817
01:29:19,100 --> 01:29:14,440
Alexander's case is a great one where he

1818
01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:19,110
was in a state like this for seven days

1819
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:23,920
negative Graham meningitis and what's

1820
01:29:30,690 --> 01:29:26,290
unique about the case of course is that

1821
01:29:33,210 --> 01:29:30,700
Evan was a neurosurgeon so he understood

1822
01:29:35,340 --> 01:29:33,220
the severity of the problem and survival

1823
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:35,350
rate was very low and then the whole

1824
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:38,320
series of things happened when he was in

1825
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:40,690
an out-of-body State we came back to

1826
01:29:46,220 --> 01:29:44,170
Chris's only about a third of the people

1827
01:29:49,860 --> 01:29:46,230
who report NDEs

1828
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:49,870
report having these other aspects to it

1829
01:29:56,070 --> 01:29:53,290
and he runs from autoscopic position ie

1830
01:29:59,780 --> 01:29:56,080
being above your body looking down at

1831
01:30:01,410 --> 01:29:59,790
what's going on tunnel of light sounds

1832
01:30:05,310 --> 01:30:01,420
affirmations

1833
01:30:08,459 --> 01:30:05,320
meeting relatives those are the

1834
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:08,469
exception rather than the rule of people

1835
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:12,400
who are physically close to death at one

1836
01:30:18,359 --> 01:30:16,000
point I was the president of the

1837
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:18,369
International Association for near-death

1838
01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:20,650
studies you know what that's a good

1839
01:30:24,689 --> 01:30:22,510
place to stop and we'll continue with

1840
01:30:28,109 --> 01:30:24,699
that discussion dr. John B Alexander

1841
01:30:34,740 --> 01:30:28,119
moving to again life after death

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01:30:34,750 --> 01:30:39,379
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and Holly Stevens only to para cast plus

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members and you have to actually request

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how that works

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so Paul Kimball Polly Stephens featured

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in The Canadian reality show haunted

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we're offering special access to the

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to get it you have to be a member you

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have to open a personal conversation

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with Paul Campbell on the forums and ask

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for the password I mean they're being

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very careful the producers of that show

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and once you get that you'll be able to

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watch the video the first two episodes

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only if you're a power cast plus member

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and he'll verify it with me and to learn

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more about what we offer go to plus

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thought the power cast com+ not for

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power cast dot-com and we were talking

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01:36:05,770 --> 01:36:00,550
here about dr. John B Alexander's

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expertise in near-death experiences as

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opposed to his associations on it so the

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question I would have for you John is

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are we dealing here was something where

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someone is actually seeing the afterlife

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or when they remember something it's

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just something from their imagination I

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01:36:28,629 --> 01:36:26,960
guess the answer is yes we really don't

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know that's why the case I was

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01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:32,090
describing with Pam Reynolds is so sick

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because it's one of the few where the

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individual is totally instrumented

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during the procedure and so we know that

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their physical state is near death or

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medically is death and yet they are

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having conscious recall of certain

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things part of the information that

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comes back that's of interest of course

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is that you know when they provide

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information either about current events

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that they could not have access to

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interactions with deceased relatives and

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often ones they sometimes didn't even

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know they had and other information or

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that of future events that then turn out

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to be accurate let me give a classic

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01:37:38,020 --> 01:37:34,370
case here and that's of Mary Neal who

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01:37:41,440 --> 01:37:38,030
was a doctor and this has all of the

2000
01:37:47,110 --> 01:37:41,450
aspects that we were just discussing she

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was kayaking in Chile the last day and

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she was the last person going down the

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01:37:58,840 --> 01:37:53,810
rapids that's over and gets pinned under

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01:38:02,590 --> 01:37:58,850
water she's underwater for at least 15

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minutes probably 30 minutes far longer

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than one can hold their breath legs are

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broken whole series of miracles occur

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and she is executed and his alive of

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course taken out but she received

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information during that process

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concerning her son specifically that her

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son was going to die when he was 18

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which is not something any mother would

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choose to hear and in fact it came to

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pass some was out they goes roller

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boarding on roadway and got hit and was

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killed by a car so there's one where you

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have

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physically I you can't hold your breath

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that long and I've heard people say well

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01:38:57,520 --> 01:38:54,919
the air pockets now not under oh you

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01:39:02,529 --> 01:38:57,530
know Cascades you're going down the

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rapids and there's another aspect to it

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was that after they got her I had broke

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broken both her legs a long recovery

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period but get her out for people appear

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there in a remote area in northern Chile

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and they take her to an ambulance

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01:39:23,739 --> 01:39:20,269
no ambulance exists in the area that

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suddenly it was there and so again the

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mirac physical miracles that go on the

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informational transfer that took place

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the survival of being underwater for

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that length of time you know all of

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which point to something really strange

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and unusual going on that we really

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01:39:49,390 --> 01:39:46,849
don't understand yeah not only do we

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understand it I don't think we even as

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01:39:53,830 --> 01:39:51,110
you pointed out the very beginning of

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the show we're not even sure what

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01:39:58,810 --> 01:39:55,969
questions that we should be asking and

2042
01:40:02,020 --> 01:39:58,820
this would be a classic example of an

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incident that would would point out the

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fact that we really don't know the

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questions to ask one question I have

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01:40:10,839 --> 01:40:08,749
though and it's something that I've

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wondered from time to time I have a

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friend that literally woke up on the way

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to the morgue and a body bag after 45

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minutes of being supposed to be dead I

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mean clinically dead what is the record

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for someone being brought back after

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being in a state that could be

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01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:32,019
considered as clinically dead I've heard

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01:40:40,750 --> 01:40:36,610
up to an hour or two do we have any any

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01:40:47,859 --> 01:40:40,760
famous one there was three days created

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religion well yeah okay Tuesday well in

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the modern era with the know that there

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are records because the problem is

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there's any number of cases Rob das

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01:41:14,370 --> 01:41:08,420
remember discussing one that was like a

2062
01:41:21,460 --> 01:41:17,050
there's a very interesting case with

2063
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:21,470
John of God something we might want to

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01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:24,410
discuss because it has most of these

2065
01:41:30,250 --> 01:41:27,410
phenomenal aspects to it and we have

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01:41:33,490 --> 01:41:30,260
been to abadeer and visit him I'm

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01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:33,500
convinced that this is a real deal

2068
01:41:44,740 --> 01:41:38,210
but in the NDE arena there was a doctor

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01:41:47,110 --> 01:41:44,750
in Brasilia epidemia is about 90 miles

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or kilometers I think it's 90 kilometers

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from the capital Brasilia as we flew

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01:41:58,930 --> 01:41:54,920
into and anyway a doctor who was working

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01:42:03,700 --> 01:41:58,940
with him who was had at the hospital

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01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:03,710
there in Brasilia young guy 40s way

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01:42:11,770 --> 01:42:07,850
overweight collapses and dies and is

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taken to the emergency room prowls dead

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01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:16,640
and normal procedure is to move cadavers

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01:42:24,580 --> 01:42:20,930
out not good for business to have help

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01:42:29,440 --> 01:42:24,590
bodies in the actual hospital or

2080
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emergency room area so somebody his wife

2081
01:42:35,260 --> 01:42:32,210
contacted John of God and told him what

2082
01:42:36,580 --> 01:42:35,270
had happened and he said has somebody

2083
01:42:40,750 --> 01:42:36,590
stayed with the body

2084
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:40,760
do not move them before 3 o'clock this

2085
01:42:48,580 --> 01:42:45,370
afternoon and so this is mid-morning

2086
01:42:50,710 --> 01:42:48,590
they did the only reason they were

2087
01:42:52,930 --> 01:42:50,720
allowed to do it was that it was his

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01:42:58,000 --> 01:42:52,940
hospital and you know they were willing

2089
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:58,010
to bend the rules some at about 2:45 as

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01:43:05,490 --> 01:43:00,320
I recall slightly before 3:00 he

2091
01:43:10,450 --> 01:43:05,500
suddenly goes huh and comes back to life

2092
01:43:11,969 --> 01:43:10,460
well they've got at least four hours how

2093
01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:11,979
can we explain that I'm

2094
01:43:17,580 --> 01:43:14,800
the human body starts to break down in

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terms of the actual you know physical

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01:43:24,870 --> 01:43:21,459
makeup of a person starts to break down

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with a lack of oxygen blood flow these

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01:43:30,529 --> 01:43:28,389
sorts of things number one how can we

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01:43:33,479 --> 01:43:30,539
explain that medically and number two

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01:43:35,279 --> 01:43:33,489
why don't we see like in my case I mean

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III should have suffered some sort of

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you would think brain damage from not

2103
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having oxygen going to my brain for four

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minutes well maybe I have had brain

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damage i everybody's just been kind and

2106
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they haven't told me uh right just six

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days a week comes from earlier today and

2108
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explanations sort of came to me actually

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today and I was thinking about the case

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with the Mary Neil and in particular and

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the point is that I would guess that if

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you had took 99999 people and you held

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them under water for fifteen minutes let

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alone 30 minutes they would drown and

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yet you have the one that didn't now

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science in general is interested in

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[Music]

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99999 and this applies across the board

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what are the outliers and the things

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that do not fit with our conventional

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scientific theories so the exception

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that may or may not prove the rule we

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got dr. John B Alexander and we're

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focusing heavily on some of the topics

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in this new book from anomalous called

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's Jane Steinberg we don't want to

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deny reality here we only want to find

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the cracks in reality that we don't

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quite understand you know when you point

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01:48:15,419 --> 01:48:13,389
out here the fact that science is

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interested in the 99% you're looking at

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the 1% we're not talking about it

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financially here the fact that you're

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01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:22,869
looking for the exceptions but won't

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those exceptions once we understand them

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01:48:34,109 --> 01:48:26,829
give us a greater understanding of all

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01:48:36,270 --> 01:48:34,119
the rest the scientific community is you

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know my second career was Los Alamos

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National Laboratory and you don't get

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01:48:46,020 --> 01:48:43,030
more sciency than than that is that you

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01:48:48,449 --> 01:48:46,030
know there's great emphasis on pushing

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the boundaries you know what are the

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board or not and that sort of thing is

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01:48:56,339 --> 01:48:53,050
okay while I move the envelope a little

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01:48:59,279 --> 01:48:56,349
bit when you have things that are truly

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01:49:02,609 --> 01:48:59,289
disruptive those are not generally

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01:49:04,199 --> 01:49:02,619
appreciated because they do disrupt the

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01:49:07,379 --> 01:49:04,209
system and the things we were talking

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01:49:10,580 --> 01:49:07,389
about in these phenomena totally disrupt

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01:49:12,949 --> 01:49:10,590
the system I've done as you know battle

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01:49:15,830 --> 01:49:12,959
periodically with a skeptical community

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01:49:19,609 --> 01:49:15,840
most of whom are not skeptics but

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debunkers and the point in the the

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01:49:26,669 --> 01:49:22,300
scientific community and not accepting

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01:49:29,909 --> 01:49:26,679
is that if some of the things that we

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01:49:33,839 --> 01:49:29,919
are discussing here today are real their

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01:49:38,399 --> 01:49:33,849
entire worldview is in jeopardy

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01:49:40,890 --> 01:49:38,409
and that's pretty scary yeah just the

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01:49:43,979 --> 01:49:40,900
thought of you know countless doctoral

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01:49:47,699 --> 01:49:43,989
dissertations and PhDs being rendered

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01:49:50,310 --> 01:49:47,709
null and void is enough to chill the the

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01:49:52,930 --> 01:49:50,320
the drawers of quite a number of

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01:49:55,390 --> 01:49:52,940
scientists and academics out there

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01:50:01,419 --> 01:49:55,400
and that's that's one of the problems is

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01:50:02,919 --> 01:50:01,429
we have a calcified structure that you

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01:50:05,169 --> 01:50:02,929
know you just don't want to rock the

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01:50:08,189 --> 01:50:05,179
boat because people just don't know

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01:50:11,140 --> 01:50:08,199
interesting study that was published by

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01:50:13,839 --> 01:50:11,150
SSE journal society percent Vick

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01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:13,849
exploration which I might add I am the

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01:50:18,819 --> 01:50:16,639
local host for the meeting next year

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01:50:21,700 --> 01:50:18,829
next June is going to be here in Las

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Vegas and fight folks who attend that

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01:50:27,359 --> 01:50:24,440
but they looked at the difference in

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01:50:31,899 --> 01:50:27,369
belief systems in general population

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01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:31,909
scientists and in various categories and

2233
01:50:39,790 --> 01:50:36,530
what they found was that if you get into

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01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:39,800
belief in phenomena it's very high with

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01:50:43,930 --> 01:50:41,570
the general population but not me

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01:50:46,540 --> 01:50:43,940
because they've had these experience if

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01:50:52,089 --> 01:50:46,550
you get into the Social Sciences you get

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01:50:56,379 --> 01:50:52,099
a 50 60 % range when you get into softer

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01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:56,389
Sciences it continues maybe in 30% but

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when you get to the National Academy of

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01:51:04,689 --> 01:51:01,130
Science and physicists you're down at

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01:51:07,330 --> 01:51:04,699
about four percent and this leads to

2243
01:51:10,959 --> 01:51:07,340
what I think is the huge problem the

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01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:10,969
disconnect why people have problems with

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01:51:18,399 --> 01:51:14,570
science today in that their personal

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01:51:21,459 --> 01:51:18,409
experience is so different from what the

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01:51:23,799 --> 01:51:21,469
scientists are trying to tell them and

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01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:23,809
we have a problem you know fundamental

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01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:26,960
problem in communication well doesn't

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that kind of bring two to bear the whole

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01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:33,829
subject of of tricks tourism and the

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01:51:39,549 --> 01:51:36,800
trickster the trickster is is renowned

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01:51:43,330 --> 01:51:39,559
in some circles for its ability to

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01:51:46,330 --> 01:51:43,340
topple calcified centralized control

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01:51:51,069 --> 01:51:46,340
structures the powers the be shall we

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01:51:53,830 --> 01:51:51,079
say and UFOs and in in one example could

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01:51:57,310 --> 01:51:53,840
be considered you know a perfect example

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01:51:58,810 --> 01:51:57,320
of the whole edifice of science and the

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01:52:01,660 --> 01:51:58,820
calcification of a centralised

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01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:01,670
scientific belief system being toppled

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01:52:06,169 --> 01:52:04,250
by the inexplicable of the anomalies

2262
01:52:08,390 --> 01:52:06,179
within statistical data that

2263
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:08,400
but they were thrown out by science yeah

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01:52:15,379 --> 01:52:12,090
and glorified by anomalous as being

2265
01:52:17,719 --> 01:52:15,389
something to try to kind of equal the

2266
01:52:20,569 --> 01:52:17,729
playing field or for lack of a better

2267
01:52:23,830 --> 01:52:20,579
serve analogy I think science is

2268
01:52:28,759 --> 01:52:23,840
constantly being you know challenged by

2269
01:52:31,219 --> 01:52:28,769
aberrant statistical events and and you

2270
01:52:34,669 --> 01:52:31,229
know the nominees that just don't don't

2271
01:52:38,149 --> 01:52:34,679
conform to statistical data what role do

2272
01:52:41,149 --> 01:52:38,159
you think tricks tourism has in looking

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01:52:44,239 --> 01:52:41,159
at science and and looking at religion

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01:52:45,890 --> 01:52:44,249
and calcified thus social structures I

2275
01:52:48,919 --> 01:52:45,900
mean are we looking at something that

2276
01:52:51,020 --> 01:52:48,929
may actually be our friend and is trying

2277
01:52:54,229 --> 01:52:51,030
to do us all a favor but where do you

2278
01:52:56,989 --> 01:52:54,239
come down on on tricks tourism mint and

2279
01:53:01,910 --> 01:52:56,999
the challenge to you know the norm

2280
01:53:05,209 --> 01:53:01,920
well don't really have a position let me

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01:53:08,540 --> 01:53:05,219
transition to something I think is

2282
01:53:12,410 --> 01:53:08,550
similar fundamental problem my view is

2283
01:53:16,219 --> 01:53:12,420
that you know we have this materialistic

2284
01:53:18,469 --> 01:53:16,229
belief system that dominates and has

2285
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:18,479
worked pretty well and most kasem you

2286
01:53:22,609 --> 01:53:20,010
got to point out then when you flip the

2287
01:53:26,750 --> 01:53:22,619
switch the light goes on most of the

2288
01:53:29,899 --> 01:53:26,760
time and that's okay but our educational

2289
01:53:31,850 --> 01:53:29,909
system says those things aren't true if

2290
01:53:34,399 --> 01:53:31,860
we start talking about anomaly we just

2291
01:53:38,540 --> 01:53:34,409
set them aside and say well if you

2292
01:53:41,839 --> 01:53:38,550
believe it go now I'm a transition

2293
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:41,849
because I do work in Brazil periodically

2294
01:53:46,609 --> 01:53:43,530
if done law stuff from non-lethal

2295
01:53:48,410 --> 01:53:46,619
weapons and dealt at very very high

2296
01:53:50,929 --> 01:53:48,420
levels of government we're talking

2297
01:53:51,799 --> 01:53:50,939
ministers senior generals and people of

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01:53:55,719 --> 01:53:51,809
that nature

2299
01:53:58,850 --> 01:53:55,729
all of whom have been educated in

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01:54:01,520 --> 01:53:58,860
institutions that are you know very much

2301
01:54:06,649 --> 01:54:01,530
akin and have this materialistic belief

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01:54:08,750 --> 01:54:06,659
system yet what most of them have a

2303
01:54:12,350 --> 01:54:08,760
belief system that accommodates

2304
01:54:14,410 --> 01:54:12,360
spiritism because in their culture they

2305
01:54:17,179 --> 01:54:14,420
have seen these things happen I

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01:54:18,699 --> 01:54:17,189
mentioned in John of God in the book I

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01:54:22,959 --> 01:54:18,709
go into

2308
01:54:26,489 --> 01:54:22,969
the ceremonies ayahuasca Saturday and

2309
01:54:29,199 --> 01:54:26,499
things of that nature which are totally

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01:54:33,040 --> 01:54:29,209
inculcated into their society and

2311
01:54:36,899 --> 01:54:33,050
somehow they can accommodate both the

2312
01:54:40,719 --> 01:54:36,909
Western belief systems and these

2313
01:54:43,390 --> 01:54:40,729
Spiritist beliefs because they see Hill

2314
01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:43,400
the reality of them one of the things I

2315
01:54:49,179 --> 01:54:45,920
might point out really say in the book

2316
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:49,189
that I think is critical I've had a

2317
01:54:53,649 --> 01:54:51,650
bunch of weird experiences is kind of

2318
01:54:57,250 --> 01:54:53,659
interesting and I use them as for

2319
01:54:59,739 --> 01:54:57,260
discussing you know various aspects of

2320
01:55:02,890 --> 01:54:59,749
the reality because I think is more

2321
01:55:05,379 --> 01:55:02,900
important is that the people to read

2322
01:55:06,910 --> 01:55:05,389
them and I imagine most of your

2323
01:55:10,750 --> 01:55:06,920
listeners and Chris you've just

2324
01:55:13,919 --> 01:55:10,760
described an NDE kind of thing that they

2325
01:55:16,839 --> 01:55:13,929
need to be able to talk about these

2326
01:55:18,790 --> 01:55:16,849
experiences and I think what you're

2327
01:55:21,660 --> 01:55:18,800
going to find is that they're far more

2328
01:55:26,100 --> 01:55:21,670
common than most people would believe

2329
01:55:29,410 --> 01:55:26,110
but because they're basically inhibited

2330
01:55:32,379 --> 01:55:29,420
again from a cultural perspective we

2331
01:55:34,810 --> 01:55:32,389
tend to not get the information out

2332
01:55:38,799 --> 01:55:34,820
whether recorded or not I think would

2333
01:55:40,750 --> 01:55:38,809
have a huge impact if everybody had you

2334
01:55:46,029 --> 01:55:40,760
know near-death experiences UFO

2335
01:55:47,620 --> 01:55:46,039
sightings etc etc would disgust them but

2336
01:55:50,679 --> 01:55:47,630
how many people do you think have these

2337
01:55:53,799 --> 01:55:50,689
experiences and will not discuss them I

2338
01:55:55,959 --> 01:55:53,809
think it's the vast majority of the

2339
01:55:59,109 --> 01:55:55,969
people who've had the experiences choose

2340
01:56:01,629 --> 01:55:59,119
not to and I don't know how many people

2341
01:56:05,020 --> 01:56:01,639
have said you know again in letters and

2342
01:56:09,549 --> 01:56:05,030
things that you know this happened 30 40

2343
01:56:12,819 --> 01:56:09,559
50 years ago even importantly the impact

2344
01:56:14,979 --> 01:56:12,829
is like it was yesterday but I never

2345
01:56:17,439 --> 01:56:14,989
told anybody or never told anybody

2346
01:56:20,410 --> 01:56:17,449
outside of very close friends or

2347
01:56:22,839 --> 01:56:20,420
relatives again it's for fear of

2348
01:56:26,729 --> 01:56:22,849
ridicule and that's very reasonable

2349
01:56:29,169 --> 01:56:26,739
given the materialistic viewpoint and

2350
01:56:31,410 --> 01:56:29,179
you know people just don't want to get

2351
01:56:32,650 --> 01:56:31,420
beat up very reasonable

2352
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:32,660
the

2353
01:56:40,510 --> 01:56:37,970
very few people that are willing to you

2354
01:56:42,300 --> 01:56:40,520
know stick their necks out and in fly in

2355
01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:42,310
the face of cultural convention

2356
01:56:49,870 --> 01:56:45,970
religious political you know all these

2357
01:56:53,620 --> 01:56:49,880
obviously all these aspects of their

2358
01:56:57,630 --> 01:56:53,630
reality come into play you know it's I

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both sides of that Facebook Zuckerberg

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who wants to playing game good credit

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auto take the blame for all people have

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been killed except or etc over reading

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an article today you know we had this

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shooting here in Las Vegas let's break

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it before we cover the shooting and

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para cast comm we return dr. John B

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Alexander three more segments they were

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going to start talking John about the

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shooting in Las Vegas you know we had

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this massive shooting largest in the US

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and recent history and there was an

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article today and the Guardian that I

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was reading in which trolls on the

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internet are attacking people who were

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shot and blaming them as if there were

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quote crisis actors this stating that

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these events haven't happened we saw

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this out of Sandy Hook and almost every

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other major incident so when you have

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something that's that real I mean here

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are people one of whom was shot in the

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head and literally trolls coming out and

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saying no you really should be shot in

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the head that you're lying to us I mean

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you know that's a physical event I can

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prove that I got shot with but saying oh

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I was talking to my grandmother you know

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who has been dead for you know six years

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02:03:18,669 --> 02:03:14,809
or six decades and I want to subject

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02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:18,679
myself to that kind of view not worth it

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02:03:23,350 --> 02:03:21,530
I don't need this and so it's moving in

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both directions Chris you were saying

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02:03:28,089 --> 02:03:26,360
it's getting more you know ability to

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02:03:30,129 --> 02:03:28,099
talk islands more prevalent there's

2491
02:03:33,009 --> 02:03:30,139
certainly some of that but I think when

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you look at the negative aspects of it

2493
02:03:38,739 --> 02:03:35,619
they pretty much at best balance out

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02:03:40,629 --> 02:03:38,749
well you know I'm the eternal optimist

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02:03:42,909 --> 02:03:40,639
I'm always hoping for that three steps

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02:03:45,969 --> 02:03:42,919
forward two steps back kind of analogy

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02:03:47,409 --> 02:03:45,979
but it's disheartening when you factor

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in as you've described

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02:03:54,040 --> 02:03:50,300
you know this whole growth of you know

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02:03:56,109 --> 02:03:54,050
instant add water conspiracy theory in

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02:03:59,709 --> 02:03:56,119
just a way that these some

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02:04:04,000 --> 02:03:59,719
example of just outrageous claims and

2503
02:04:06,660 --> 02:04:04,010
and what if I go on record by the way I

2504
02:04:11,229 --> 02:04:06,670
thought of this but as we're taping this

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02:04:13,750 --> 02:04:11,239
today it is the day that the JFK files

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02:04:16,020 --> 02:04:13,760
are something to be real season I will

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02:04:18,580 --> 02:04:16,030
guarantee that there will be

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02:04:21,870 --> 02:04:18,590
conspiracies out there that the real

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02:04:24,669 --> 02:04:21,880
files weren't released this is the story

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02:04:28,419 --> 02:04:24,679
president Donald Trump will not release

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02:04:31,510 --> 02:04:28,429
the full set of records the National

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02:04:35,200 --> 02:04:31,520
Archives were supposed to release 2,800

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02:04:37,780 --> 02:04:35,210
records with remaining documents being

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02:04:40,990 --> 02:04:37,790
secret for the time being that's a

2515
02:04:42,820 --> 02:04:41,000
latest story so of course that's what

2516
02:04:46,240 --> 02:04:42,830
the conspiracy theorists will see his

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02:04:48,700 --> 02:04:46,250
own grist for the mill yes or grill for

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02:04:50,740 --> 02:04:48,710
the mist I thought they were out and I

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02:04:54,220 --> 02:04:50,750
was gonna say it doesn't matter because

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02:04:57,160 --> 02:04:54,230
the same story would have been come out

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02:04:58,959 --> 02:04:57,170
whether it was real or not right it just

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02:05:01,660 --> 02:04:58,969
adds the ammunition to the conspiracy

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02:05:05,020 --> 02:05:01,670
fueled fire boy if life got any more

2524
02:05:07,229 --> 02:05:05,030
dull I'd be really surprised this is the

2525
02:05:09,850 --> 02:05:07,239
latest story from the Washington Post

2526
02:05:12,729 --> 02:05:09,860
president Trump delayed the release of

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02:05:14,859 --> 02:05:12,739
hundreds of classified documents related

2528
02:05:17,859 --> 02:05:14,869
to the John F Kennedy assassination

2529
02:05:21,580 --> 02:05:17,869
Thursday evening bowing to pressure from

2530
02:05:24,609 --> 02:05:21,590
the CIA FBI and other federal agencies

2531
02:05:27,939 --> 02:05:24,619
the president approved the immediate

2532
02:05:30,010 --> 02:05:27,949
release of 2,800 records by the National

2533
02:05:33,399 --> 02:05:30,020
Archives following a last-minute

2534
02:05:35,950 --> 02:05:33,409
scramble in the face of a 25 year legal

2535
02:05:40,089 --> 02:05:35,960
deadline the rest will be reviewed

2536
02:05:42,100 --> 02:05:40,099
during a 180 day period which means of

2537
02:05:44,320 --> 02:05:42,110
course in six months they could be

2538
02:05:46,209 --> 02:05:44,330
released or maybe we'll never hear from

2539
02:05:49,540 --> 02:05:46,219
it again and the way news works of

2540
02:05:51,820 --> 02:05:49,550
course we focus on current events not on

2541
02:05:57,459 --> 02:05:51,830
stuff that's six months old the plot

2542
02:06:03,010 --> 02:06:00,790
was too good to be true oh well John

2543
02:06:04,660 --> 02:06:03,020
we're kind of waning here a little bit

2544
02:06:06,160 --> 02:06:04,670
in our time we

2545
02:06:08,410 --> 02:06:06,170
a number of listener questions that I'd

2546
02:06:11,530 --> 02:06:08,420
like to get to and some of them a little

2547
02:06:13,689 --> 02:06:11,540
bit more mundane than others but let's

2548
02:06:15,880 --> 02:06:13,699
start with Paul Kimball a good friend of

2549
02:06:18,390 --> 02:06:15,890
the show and a real supporter of the

2550
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:18,400
pair of cast plus I might add with his

2551
02:06:23,169 --> 02:06:20,810
offering the first two episodes of

2552
02:06:26,290 --> 02:06:23,179
haunted four pair cast plus listeners

2553
02:06:28,990 --> 02:06:26,300
you know it's a pretty generic question

2554
02:06:30,130 --> 02:06:29,000
but I think I think a valid one and one

2555
02:06:33,700 --> 02:06:30,140
that I'd be interested to hear your

2556
02:06:36,419 --> 02:06:33,710
answer what is your current thinking on

2557
02:06:39,189 --> 02:06:36,429
the ETH the extra-terrestrial hypothesis

2558
02:06:41,500 --> 02:06:39,199
do you believe that it is most of the

2559
02:06:45,550 --> 02:06:41,510
most likely answer based on the

2560
02:06:49,270 --> 02:06:45,560
available evidence no that does not

2561
02:06:53,229 --> 02:06:49,280
address the reality of these experiences

2562
02:06:56,530 --> 02:06:53,239
I think there are some my opposition of

2563
02:06:59,380 --> 02:06:56,540
the ETH is that again we discussed

2564
02:07:02,229 --> 02:06:59,390
earlier that we have had interactions

2565
02:07:06,030 --> 02:07:02,239
between humans and sentient Mon humans

2566
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:06,040
throughout the entirety of human history

2567
02:07:12,209 --> 02:07:09,530
I think these things occur but that the

2568
02:07:15,939 --> 02:07:12,219
little gray guys from Zeta Reticuli

2569
02:07:19,860 --> 02:07:15,949
again just too simple does not explain

2570
02:07:24,520 --> 02:07:19,870
all of the data or the observations I

2571
02:07:27,729 --> 02:07:24,530
would absolutely agree 100% way too

2572
02:07:30,700 --> 02:07:27,739
simple way too simple I mean if if only

2573
02:07:34,120 --> 02:07:30,710
it was that simple I mean it would be

2574
02:07:35,979 --> 02:07:34,130
much more convenient I'm I'm sure well

2575
02:07:38,740 --> 02:07:35,989
here's one this one comes from William

2576
02:07:41,169 --> 02:07:38,750
strothman I like it it's a good question

2577
02:07:44,080 --> 02:07:41,179
and could you dr. Alexander give us a

2578
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:44,090
quote-unquote big-picture overview of

2579
02:07:48,990 --> 02:07:46,610
how you view the universe where we

2580
02:07:51,550 --> 02:07:49,000
humans fit into the big picture and how

2581
02:07:54,010 --> 02:07:51,560
non-human intelligence fits into this

2582
02:07:55,650 --> 02:07:54,020
picture and he thanks you think that's a

2583
02:08:02,650 --> 02:07:55,660
good bit of the discussion we've had

2584
02:08:05,890 --> 02:08:02,660
today again it is more complex than we

2585
02:08:09,120 --> 02:08:05,900
can on can imagine we are certainly a

2586
02:08:12,640 --> 02:08:09,130
part and parcel probably part of

2587
02:08:15,649 --> 02:08:12,650
co-creators know the universe are

2588
02:08:20,149 --> 02:08:15,659
certainly of reality as we

2589
02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:20,159
know them I think you know from a

2590
02:08:24,410 --> 02:08:22,650
continuation of consciousness standpoint

2591
02:08:30,340 --> 02:08:24,420
I think we definitely go on beyond

2592
02:08:33,260 --> 02:08:30,350
physical body and somehow continue with

2593
02:08:36,169 --> 02:08:33,270
interactions you might almost get to a

2594
02:08:39,950 --> 02:08:36,179
Hindu perspective let alone Buddhist one

2595
02:08:45,560 --> 02:08:39,960
of looking to you know integrate into

2596
02:08:47,750 --> 02:08:45,570
Nirvana at some point to me the the

2597
02:08:53,149 --> 02:08:47,760
notion of reincarnation is the best one

2598
02:08:55,610 --> 02:08:53,159
that fits the data as we know it but

2599
02:09:00,160 --> 02:08:55,620
you've asked a very very broad question

2600
02:09:03,919 --> 02:09:00,170
I'm not sure it has an answer per se

2601
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things I have talked about go in a

2602
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couple of books as the what I call

2603
02:09:12,620 --> 02:09:09,179
Alexander's rule of appropriate

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02:09:16,070 --> 02:09:12,630
complexity and in that it says that

2605
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:16,080
every individual is faced with complex

2606
02:09:22,370 --> 02:09:19,530
problems and it may be you know as

2607
02:09:25,879 --> 02:09:22,380
simple as where am I going to find food

2608
02:09:29,360 --> 02:09:25,889
tonight can I continue to breathe all

2609
02:09:32,660 --> 02:09:29,370
the way up to the altruistic versions of

2610
02:09:35,120 --> 02:09:32,670
who are we and and you know the question

2611
02:09:38,209 --> 02:09:35,130
like we're asked though you know where

2612
02:09:41,930 --> 02:09:38,219
do we fit them the universe but it seems

2613
02:09:44,840 --> 02:09:41,940
to me that as each person gets to the

2614
02:09:46,729 --> 02:09:44,850
point where they're just about to come

2615
02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:46,739
to an understanding where you say hi I

2616
02:09:53,360 --> 02:09:49,290
got I've got all these questions figured

2617
02:09:55,939 --> 02:09:53,370
out I understand it a trapdoor opens and

2618
02:09:58,070 --> 02:09:55,949
you enter an entire new level of

2619
02:10:00,290 --> 02:09:58,080
complexity and you're back at the bottom

2620
02:10:02,990 --> 02:10:00,300
trying to work your way up even though

2621
02:10:06,680 --> 02:10:03,000
you you know it's almost like computer

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02:10:10,340 --> 02:10:06,690
game if you will you know captors and

2623
02:10:13,399 --> 02:10:10,350
moving up to new complexities that seems

2624
02:10:16,820 --> 02:10:13,409
to be where we're at let's do our break

2625
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here we've got more to come with gene

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and Chris and dr. Alexander you're in

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questions from our listeners I agree I

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mean we could devote several shows to

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that one question actually it gets into

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it is so broad that it gets into a lot

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of a lot of nuances here's one this one

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comes from Angelo who is a moderator at

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the pair of cast forms at forum dr.

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Peric ascom he's a friendly skeptic

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self-described and he's a he's a fan of

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your work

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and he asked as a skeptic UFOs myths

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conspiracies and realities is one of my

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favorite UFO books because it's so

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balanced and he wonders would you have

2752
02:15:49,900 --> 02:15:47,150
any experiences that rate as highly

2753
02:15:52,620 --> 02:15:49,910
bizarre as what you saw at skinwalker

2754
02:15:55,780 --> 02:15:52,630
ranch while you are a part of mids and

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02:15:59,620 --> 02:15:55,790
do you have any thoughts on this since

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02:16:04,210 --> 02:15:59,630
writing about it in the book well first

2757
02:16:06,760 --> 02:16:04,220
chapter is in reality tonight is called

2758
02:16:12,360 --> 02:16:06,770
the knids experience and we certainly

2759
02:16:16,960 --> 02:16:12,370
had experiences there that just defy

2760
02:16:20,500 --> 02:16:16,970
every aspect of logic and reality as we

2761
02:16:23,050 --> 02:16:20,510
know it begin consensus reality the one

2762
02:16:27,460 --> 02:16:23,060
thing that I came to and I did write

2763
02:16:29,950 --> 02:16:27,470
this in your phone book was the what I

2764
02:16:33,820 --> 02:16:29,960
called the precognitives sentience

2765
02:16:36,580 --> 02:16:33,830
phenomena which might translate at least

2766
02:16:39,370 --> 02:16:36,590
roughly to the trickster if you will

2767
02:16:41,200 --> 02:16:39,380
that there is a trickster element to

2768
02:16:43,720 --> 02:16:41,210
many of these phenomena and these have

2769
02:16:46,419 --> 02:16:43,730
been noted again throughout human

2770
02:16:49,540 --> 02:16:46,429
history but the point with the ranch

2771
02:16:51,310 --> 02:16:49,550
when I say it was precognitive the first

2772
02:16:54,160 --> 02:16:51,320
of all there was an it whatever you

2773
02:16:55,330 --> 02:16:54,170
however you would define that and it was

2774
02:16:58,389 --> 02:16:55,340
in control

2775
02:17:03,480 --> 02:16:58,399
certainly were not it seemed to be aware

2776
02:17:07,480 --> 02:17:03,490
of how we as researchers would respond

2777
02:17:10,540 --> 02:17:07,490
even before whatever the observation was

2778
02:17:14,530 --> 02:17:10,550
presented to us via the dead calf

2779
02:17:16,810 --> 02:17:14,540
incident or you know you can take a

2780
02:17:20,320 --> 02:17:16,820
whole variety creepy-crawler coming out

2781
02:17:23,250 --> 02:17:20,330
of the tunnel we also would try to think

2782
02:17:25,959 --> 02:17:23,260
ahead we had highly instrumented and

2783
02:17:29,950 --> 02:17:25,969
whatever would happen would happen just

2784
02:17:32,459 --> 02:17:29,960
off camera so it was pre cognitive and

2785
02:17:36,250 --> 02:17:32,469
that it knew how we would respond

2786
02:17:39,520 --> 02:17:36,260
sentient there's no doubt about you know

2787
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:39,530
that it was smart and cognitive and in

2788
02:17:45,160 --> 02:17:42,800
control and certainly phenomenological

2789
02:17:47,469 --> 02:17:45,170
you want to call the trickster you can

2790
02:17:50,020 --> 02:17:47,479
do that but this has been again noted

2791
02:17:54,190 --> 02:17:50,030
throughout human history that these

2792
02:17:57,610 --> 02:17:54,200
things just tend to defy rational

2793
02:18:00,610 --> 02:17:57,620
thought or explanation yeah that makes

2794
02:18:03,250 --> 02:18:00,620
it real tough when for instance in my my

2795
02:18:05,700 --> 02:18:03,260
case you know I've been struggling to

2796
02:18:08,889 --> 02:18:05,710
you know put together a triangulated

2797
02:18:11,950 --> 02:18:08,899
multi-instrumental a of sensing

2798
02:18:14,049 --> 02:18:11,960
equipment optically and otherwise to you

2799
02:18:17,110 --> 02:18:14,059
know monitor activity in a hot spot

2800
02:18:18,639 --> 02:18:17,120
region and and people you know having

2801
02:18:20,320 --> 02:18:18,649
read yearbook and hunt for the

2802
02:18:23,379 --> 02:18:20,330
skinwalker and other other books that

2803
02:18:24,790 --> 02:18:23,389
look at this perplexing question you

2804
02:18:26,919 --> 02:18:24,800
know wonder why I'm even bothering

2805
02:18:28,660 --> 02:18:26,929
because you know obviously we're not

2806
02:18:30,580 --> 02:18:28,670
gonna get anything because whatever it

2807
02:18:33,700 --> 02:18:30,590
is out there knows what we're doing and

2808
02:18:35,950 --> 02:18:33,710
it's going to easily circumvent any

2809
02:18:38,259 --> 02:18:35,960
attempts that we have to attempt to

2810
02:18:41,650 --> 02:18:38,269
monitor the activity in Maya course

2811
02:18:45,910 --> 02:18:41,660
stock know what you're doing it knows

2812
02:18:48,099 --> 02:18:45,920
what you're going to do exactly well my

2813
02:18:55,629 --> 02:18:48,109
answer is hey we won't know unless we

2814
02:18:58,349 --> 02:18:55,639
try I mean we have to deal with the

2815
02:19:02,110 --> 02:18:58,359
complexity of what we're encountering

2816
02:19:05,200 --> 02:19:02,120
well you know I'd like to equate that as

2817
02:19:08,589 --> 02:19:05,210
out tricking the trickster for lack of a

2818
02:19:09,010 --> 02:19:08,599
better sort of explanation you trying to

2819
02:19:10,600 --> 02:19:09,020
out

2820
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:10,610
something that is infinitely smarter

2821
02:19:21,310 --> 02:19:13,010
than we are as is quite a daunting task

2822
02:19:24,760 --> 02:19:21,320
I admit but but again well yeah you know

2823
02:19:30,510 --> 02:19:24,770
I'd rather somehow you know come up with

2824
02:19:33,940 --> 02:19:30,520
a way that allows us to anticipate

2825
02:19:37,541 --> 02:19:33,950
countermeasures if you will and have

2826
02:19:41,050 --> 02:19:37,551
something in place that that is one step

2827
02:19:44,650 --> 02:19:41,060
you know obviously ideally one step

2828
02:19:45,970 --> 02:19:44,660
ahead of any sort of countermeasure

2829
02:19:49,301 --> 02:19:45,980
that's already being applied to our

2830
02:19:52,001 --> 02:19:49,311
scenarios so you know again I think it's

2831
02:19:53,801 --> 02:19:52,011
important that we try and the fact that

2832
02:19:56,291 --> 02:19:53,811
you know our culture is set up in a way

2833
02:19:59,741 --> 02:19:56,301
that even dissuades people from even

2834
02:20:01,871 --> 02:19:59,751
attempting to act on these types of

2835
02:20:03,881 --> 02:20:01,881
questions and and to attempt to get out

2836
02:20:06,461 --> 02:20:03,891
in the field and actually do the work

2837
02:20:07,121 --> 02:20:06,471
you know you have to overcome obviously

2838
02:20:10,451 --> 02:20:07,131
that hurdle

2839
02:20:12,581 --> 02:20:10,461
and then get things in place but then

2840
02:20:15,491 --> 02:20:12,591
it's an it's a whole nother matter of

2841
02:20:19,140 --> 02:20:15,501
coming up with what I would consider

2842
02:20:21,911 --> 02:20:19,150
ingenious countermeasures that would I

2843
02:20:25,030 --> 02:20:21,921
would anticipate the anticipation of

2844
02:20:28,570 --> 02:20:25,040
what we're attempting to do so I guess

2845
02:20:31,690 --> 02:20:28,580
pretty go ahead what you're describing

2846
02:20:35,501 --> 02:20:31,700
is the reason that I wrote reality

2847
02:20:38,051 --> 02:20:35,511
denied but you have all of these events

2848
02:20:41,470 --> 02:20:38,061
because that's what I've tried to do is

2849
02:20:43,051 --> 02:20:41,480
to go out and encounter these sorts of

2850
02:20:46,511 --> 02:20:43,061
things at least had first-hand

2851
02:20:51,671 --> 02:20:46,521
experience with them as opposed to

2852
02:20:54,791 --> 02:20:51,681
relying you know tales from others and

2853
02:20:56,621 --> 02:20:54,801
trying to get the hard data I still

2854
02:20:58,360 --> 02:20:56,631
think it's worth trying I just don't

2855
02:21:01,841 --> 02:20:58,370
think we do a very good job of it right

2856
02:21:05,711 --> 02:21:01,851
well you know nothing succeeds like like

2857
02:21:08,350 --> 02:21:05,721
success and what we need to do is you

2858
02:21:12,421 --> 02:21:08,360
know overwhelm the phenomenon or

2859
02:21:15,671 --> 02:21:12,431
phenomena with the attempt to anticipate

2860
02:21:18,791 --> 02:21:15,681
you know problems before they before

2861
02:21:21,080 --> 02:21:18,801
they are revealed to us and and and you

2862
02:21:24,139 --> 02:21:21,090
know have contingency plans and and

2863
02:21:27,020 --> 02:21:24,149
workaround setup to you know to attempt

2864
02:21:30,170 --> 02:21:27,030
to gain some insight I mean I think the

2865
02:21:33,620 --> 02:21:30,180
example that that you gave and comb

2866
02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:33,630
Kelleher and George Knapp also gave in

2867
02:21:40,219 --> 02:21:36,570
the you know looking at the Ned's

2868
02:21:43,880 --> 02:21:40,229
experience at the Sherman ranch the one

2869
02:21:46,639 --> 02:21:43,890
that always strikes my fancy is the the

2870
02:21:50,929 --> 02:21:46,649
camera observing the camera that is

2871
02:21:53,360 --> 02:21:50,939
being sabotaged that to me you present

2872
02:21:56,179 --> 02:21:53,370
that scenario to eighty scientists to

2873
02:21:59,000 --> 02:21:56,189
any person that has experience working

2874
02:22:02,170 --> 02:21:59,010
in the field and then doing real-time

2875
02:22:06,170 --> 02:22:02,180
research I mean that should really

2876
02:22:09,320 --> 02:22:06,180
capture your fancy and and make you get

2877
02:22:12,290 --> 02:22:09,330
you exciting that's the point of things

2878
02:22:15,790 --> 02:22:12,300
that can't happen but did exactly

2879
02:22:18,760 --> 02:22:15,800
salutely happened camp and there's no

2880
02:22:21,830 --> 02:22:18,770
reasonable explanation for it and

2881
02:22:24,679 --> 02:22:21,840
consensus reality by the you know

2882
02:22:26,990 --> 02:22:24,689
understanding or scientific theory as we

2883
02:22:33,130 --> 02:22:27,000
know them today as I always say they're

2884
02:22:36,020 --> 02:22:33,140
either wrong or at least incomplete yeah

2885
02:22:38,660 --> 02:22:36,030
yeah that's that's an understatement

2886
02:22:42,170 --> 02:22:38,670
well we have a question from Lou Sheehan

2887
02:22:44,030 --> 02:22:42,180
and he's very interested to to know what

2888
02:22:48,860 --> 02:22:44,040
you would consider your top five

2889
02:22:50,870 --> 02:22:48,870
specific UFO cases I'm not sure how you

2890
02:22:53,540 --> 02:22:50,880
were supposed to delineate what your top

2891
02:22:56,139 --> 02:22:53,550
five cases are but what are your top

2892
02:22:58,940 --> 02:22:56,149
five a new API

2893
02:23:00,980 --> 02:22:58,950
it almost included and this would be

2894
02:23:04,550 --> 02:23:00,990
very new which was not in the book and

2895
02:23:07,810 --> 02:23:04,560
and that's what we know of the as I said

2896
02:23:11,860 --> 02:23:07,820
the case for the Nimitz in which we have

2897
02:23:15,469 --> 02:23:11,870
eyewitness testimony multiple sensors

2898
02:23:19,700 --> 02:23:15,479
high interaction we wouldn't know about

2899
02:23:22,760 --> 02:23:19,710
it had and this was 2004 had it not been

2900
02:23:25,610 --> 02:23:22,770
for you know some pilots coming is

2901
02:23:29,840 --> 02:23:25,620
actually on a fighter pilot website I

2902
02:23:32,990 --> 02:23:29,850
put Bentwaters or Rendlesham forest very

2903
02:23:36,290 --> 02:23:33,000
high on the list because of the

2904
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:36,300
and physical evidence that occurred

2905
02:23:42,550 --> 02:23:37,530
there

2906
02:23:46,280 --> 02:23:42,560
I put Phoenix lights because you are

2907
02:23:48,530 --> 02:23:46,290
again looking at thousands of witnesses

2908
02:23:51,770 --> 02:23:48,540
and you have to look at it in toto

2909
02:23:56,900 --> 02:23:51,780
meaning not just you know the singular

2910
02:23:59,330 --> 02:23:56,910
incident as it was described you know is

2911
02:24:02,720 --> 02:23:59,340
far more complex than that and I also

2912
02:24:05,750 --> 02:24:02,730
might point out that the Bentwaters case

2913
02:24:09,250 --> 02:24:05,760
as well is one that has decades of

2914
02:24:12,560 --> 02:24:09,260
history and events that may still be

2915
02:24:15,110 --> 02:24:12,570
continuing okay let's continue that in

2916
02:24:20,980 --> 02:24:15,120
our final segment with Jean and Kris

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[Music]

3022
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we're back with final segment with dr.

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John B Alexander and we're talking about

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his latest book reality denied a lot of

3025
02:29:17,400 --> 02:29:14,920
other things as we continue towards the

3026
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conclusion of this show John want to ask

3027
02:29:23,880 --> 02:29:19,689
you here with regard to Bentwaters as

3028
02:29:27,599 --> 02:29:23,890
you know there has been a falling-out

3029
02:29:30,900 --> 02:29:27,609
between Peter Robbins and Larry Warren

3030
02:29:33,269 --> 02:29:30,910
and Warren apparently had made a lot of

3031
02:29:39,900 --> 02:29:33,279
statements claims that turned out not to

3032
02:29:42,330 --> 02:29:39,910
be true right so once you throw him away

3033
02:29:44,340 --> 02:29:42,340
which I guess you have to do because at

3034
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least based on the evidence that has

3035
02:29:49,590 --> 02:29:46,990
been cited and the material posted from

3036
02:29:51,870 --> 02:29:49,600
Peter Robbins the guy's making up

3037
02:29:56,490 --> 02:29:51,880
stories how does that reflect on the

3038
02:29:58,710 --> 02:29:56,500
entire case well a bigger issue that

3039
02:30:00,870 --> 02:29:58,720
you're raising here you can Friel it's

3040
02:30:03,660 --> 02:30:00,880
interesting that happened in the

3041
02:30:07,429 --> 02:30:03,670
Bentwaters case having said that this

3042
02:30:10,290 --> 02:30:07,439
whole idea of hoax and people

3043
02:30:14,309 --> 02:30:10,300
confabulating is a detriment to the

3044
02:30:16,559 --> 02:30:14,319
entire field and it is not neutral you

3045
02:30:19,290 --> 02:30:16,569
can pick your phenomena and you'll find

3046
02:30:23,400 --> 02:30:19,300
people like Warren's who are jumping in

3047
02:30:26,099 --> 02:30:23,410
and making up while their stories even

3048
02:30:28,980 --> 02:30:26,109
with issues where you know they're

3049
02:30:30,630 --> 02:30:28,990
demonstrable a false and you keep

3050
02:30:33,599 --> 02:30:30,640
getting up you know one of the things

3051
02:30:35,639 --> 02:30:33,609
I've said to the skeptics I know a lot

3052
02:30:38,580 --> 02:30:35,649
of them is you know what should you do

3053
02:30:41,790 --> 02:30:38,590
he says do nothing certainly true in the

3054
02:30:44,250 --> 02:30:41,800
UFO field because you know these people

3055
02:30:46,530 --> 02:30:44,260
come out and just self-immolate come out

3056
02:30:48,960 --> 02:30:46,540
with things that are again proven false

3057
02:30:52,559 --> 02:30:48,970
and so the assumption from a skeptical

3058
02:30:54,570 --> 02:30:52,569
perspective is if that's fall why should

3059
02:30:57,000 --> 02:30:54,580
we believe anything else well

3060
02:31:01,170 --> 02:30:57,010
unfortunately because many of the other

3061
02:31:04,070 --> 02:31:01,180
things are in fact true but this masks

3062
02:31:06,599 --> 02:31:04,080
everything and again this permeates all

3063
02:31:09,570 --> 02:31:06,609
of the phenomena that we have been

3064
02:31:11,070 --> 02:31:09,580
discussing today let me ask you a

3065
02:31:12,870 --> 02:31:11,080
question here this is an

3066
02:31:15,450 --> 02:31:12,880
the thing that kind of has occurred in

3067
02:31:16,770 --> 02:31:15,460
the UFO field and that is we're starting

3068
02:31:19,050 --> 02:31:16,780
to see some of the older cases don't

3069
02:31:21,000 --> 02:31:19,060
hold up as well maybe some of the

3070
02:31:23,360 --> 02:31:21,010
details of Roswell are not certain as

3071
02:31:25,500 --> 02:31:23,370
they used to be things like that and

3072
02:31:28,670 --> 02:31:25,510
Kevin Randle has been doing a lot of

3073
02:31:32,940 --> 02:31:28,680
work towards these older cases and

3074
02:31:35,639 --> 02:31:32,950
finding stuff there that maybe we have

3075
02:31:37,679 --> 02:31:35,649
to question now and that's why you know

3076
02:31:40,020 --> 02:31:37,689
one of the reasons that Bentwaters is

3077
02:31:43,110 --> 02:31:40,030
important because we have to get rid of

3078
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:43,120
the junk and leave in there whatever's

3079
02:31:51,719 --> 02:31:49,210
there that's compelling because there's

3080
02:31:54,950 --> 02:31:51,729
a lot less junk to get rid of and you

3081
02:31:57,990 --> 02:31:54,960
have quite a few very high-quality

3082
02:32:01,800 --> 02:31:58,000
witnesses I think Chuck Holt is

3083
02:32:04,230 --> 02:32:01,810
absolutely credible and yes I've talked

3084
02:32:07,920 --> 02:32:04,240
to you know a number of these folks and

3085
02:32:12,570 --> 02:32:07,930
you've got a huge number of people in

3086
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:12,580
PRP I a highly credible who have come

3087
02:32:17,250 --> 02:32:15,130
forward but he always had physical

3088
02:32:20,190 --> 02:32:17,260
evidence but now radar evidence and

3089
02:32:21,719 --> 02:32:20,200
whatnot so the evidence supporting that

3090
02:32:25,080 --> 02:32:21,729
is pretty solid

3091
02:32:29,580 --> 02:32:25,090
the problem with Roswell is I don't care

3092
02:32:30,780 --> 02:32:29,590
how you cut that pie pieces never all

3093
02:32:32,760 --> 02:32:30,790
fit together

3094
02:32:35,160 --> 02:32:32,770
that's why I've also said with Roswell I

3095
02:32:37,139 --> 02:32:35,170
happen to come down against I happen to

3096
02:32:40,469 --> 02:32:37,149
believe that it's ours I think it's a

3097
02:32:43,200 --> 02:32:40,479
rational explanation for what happened

3098
02:32:46,940 --> 02:32:43,210
and yes it was very weird and yes they

3099
02:32:51,719 --> 02:32:46,950
were heavy-handed about sequestering the

3100
02:32:53,550 --> 02:32:51,729
people and information but again you

3101
02:32:58,290 --> 02:32:53,560
know that's one we're just all the

3102
02:33:00,809 --> 02:32:58,300
pieces just don't don't go together by

3103
02:33:03,599 --> 02:33:00,819
the way my position on that is and I

3104
02:33:06,230 --> 02:33:03,609
admit that I could be wrong and having

3105
02:33:10,200 --> 02:33:06,240
said that I rely on my firsthand data

3106
02:33:11,880 --> 02:33:10,210
and that our that is people have had you

3107
02:33:15,900 --> 02:33:11,890
know when I've talked to them have had

3108
02:33:18,750 --> 02:33:15,910
direct experience as opposed to friends

3109
02:33:21,429 --> 02:33:18,760
of friends many of those witness stories

3110
02:33:23,949 --> 02:33:21,439
are just laugh in the

3111
02:33:27,760 --> 02:33:23,959
what if it turned out just to be a mogul

3112
02:33:30,099 --> 02:33:27,770
balloon don't think it was mobile but I

3113
02:33:33,279 --> 02:33:30,109
do think there was an experiment going

3114
02:33:35,790 --> 02:33:33,289
on and that the material that's

3115
02:33:39,790 --> 02:33:35,800
described it was supposed to be unique

3116
02:33:44,529 --> 02:33:39,800
definitely did exist at that time so

3117
02:33:47,979 --> 02:33:44,539
that was phenomenal in and of itself

3118
02:33:50,469 --> 02:33:47,989
when you get into bodies and things I've

3119
02:33:53,219 --> 02:33:50,479
got problems there but there are folks

3120
02:33:56,769 --> 02:33:53,229
who want to say that that was a real

3121
02:34:00,309 --> 02:33:56,779
that this is one where you know my good

3122
02:34:02,649 --> 02:34:00,319
friend Edgar Mitchell am I just you know

3123
02:34:05,729 --> 02:34:02,659
we we got to a position and saying okay

3124
02:34:08,349 --> 02:34:05,739
we agree to disagree yeah but he is also

3125
02:34:14,380 --> 02:34:08,359
very clear that none of the information

3126
02:34:16,620 --> 02:34:14,390
that he had came from NASA that although

3127
02:34:19,449 --> 02:34:16,630
things were derived from other sources

3128
02:34:22,719 --> 02:34:19,459
usually stories because he had grown up

3129
02:34:26,559 --> 02:34:22,729
in the Roswell area just north of there

3130
02:34:28,510 --> 02:34:26,569
and that people came forward and told

3131
02:34:33,130 --> 02:34:28,520
him things unfortunately most of those

3132
02:34:34,809 --> 02:34:33,140
were at least secondhand oh this one's

3133
02:34:38,590 --> 02:34:34,819
gonna go down in the annals of history

3134
02:34:41,260 --> 02:34:38,600
it was really difficult to explain how

3135
02:34:45,849 --> 02:34:41,270
about Socorro oh I think Socorro

3136
02:34:47,679 --> 02:34:45,859
absolutely happens Lonnie Zamora so you

3137
02:34:48,790 --> 02:34:47,689
think that was a real case or do you

3138
02:34:53,229 --> 02:34:48,800
think that that was something more

3139
02:34:56,219 --> 02:34:53,239
Holmes I think that was a hard case of

3140
02:34:59,729 --> 02:34:56,229
landing and whatnot I think some more

3141
02:35:03,279 --> 02:34:59,739
reported accurately the description of

3142
02:35:04,989 --> 02:35:03,289
what he experienced right let me just

3143
02:35:06,670 --> 02:35:04,999
tell you one thing here folks were just

3144
02:35:09,069 --> 02:35:06,680
about out of time Chris let me tell you

3145
02:35:10,750 --> 02:35:09,079
one thing folks just got the press

3146
02:35:13,569 --> 02:35:10,760
release about a new book called

3147
02:35:17,109 --> 02:35:13,579
encounter in the desert it's Kevin

3148
02:35:18,910 --> 02:35:17,119
Randall's view of Saqqara where he's

3149
02:35:20,590 --> 02:35:18,920
gone back and looked at all the evidence

3150
02:35:22,960 --> 02:35:20,600
and we have to see what kind of slant he

3151
02:35:24,550 --> 02:35:22,970
comes out with and we're getting the

3152
02:35:25,290 --> 02:35:24,560
book shortly Chris it'll be in your

3153
02:35:28,210 --> 02:35:25,300
mailbox

3154
02:35:30,370 --> 02:35:28,220
excellent and hopefully we'll have Kevin

3155
02:35:33,399 --> 02:35:30,380
Randall on the next couple of weeks to

3156
02:35:34,821 --> 02:35:33,409
talk about it and we'll just see after

3157
02:35:38,121 --> 02:35:34,831
all these years

3158
02:35:41,691 --> 02:35:38,131
looking at the case from someone else's

3159
02:35:44,751 --> 02:35:41,701
point of view other than of course race

3160
02:35:46,430 --> 02:35:44,761
Stanford what's gonna happen yeah which

3161
02:35:48,831 --> 02:35:46,440
reminds me yeah you went and saw Ray's

3162
02:35:50,301 --> 02:35:48,841
presentation in a short answer do you

3163
02:35:52,521 --> 02:35:50,311
think there's anything there ray

3164
02:35:54,581 --> 02:35:52,531
the Ray is working on do you think we

3165
02:36:00,201 --> 02:35:54,591
should pay attention to Ray's Stanford

3166
02:36:02,361 --> 02:36:00,211
maybe I have no idea have met him but no

3167
02:36:05,961 --> 02:36:02,371
it's the same nice guy but I can't I

3168
02:36:08,631 --> 02:36:05,971
don't see the I have not seen the data I

3169
02:36:11,241 --> 02:36:08,641
really can't speak to it okay

3170
02:36:13,881 --> 02:36:11,251
I think we can be fair and leaving it

3171
02:36:16,701 --> 02:36:13,891
there anything new from Ray or is it

3172
02:36:19,161 --> 02:36:16,711
still status quo Ray is being featured

3173
02:36:21,801 --> 02:36:19,171
in this month's National Geographic

3174
02:36:24,680 --> 02:36:21,811
he's on page 79 talking about his

3175
02:36:26,810 --> 02:36:24,690
groundbreaking track weight discovery at

3176
02:36:28,640 --> 02:36:26,820
Goddard Space Flight Center it's being

3177
02:36:31,611 --> 02:36:28,650
called the most important find in the

3178
02:36:34,071 --> 02:36:31,621
history of paleontology and we all let

3179
02:36:37,191 --> 02:36:34,081
our listeners do their own due diligence

3180
02:36:39,411 --> 02:36:37,201
and decide for themselves and certainly

3181
02:36:42,381 --> 02:36:39,421
we hope someday he'll give us more

3182
02:36:44,781 --> 02:36:42,391
information about his UFO evidence dr.

3183
02:36:46,281 --> 02:36:44,791
John B Alexander for listeners who are

3184
02:36:49,430 --> 02:36:46,291
know where they can find more of what

3185
02:36:52,310 --> 02:36:49,440
you do what can they do to find out is

3186
02:36:55,071 --> 02:36:52,320
to Google my name I could give you the

3187
02:36:57,261 --> 02:36:55,081
website but it'll pop faster and more

3188
02:36:59,810 --> 02:36:57,271
likely to remember if you just google my

3189
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name or if you put in UFO or something

3190
02:37:02,680 --> 02:37:01,771
like that it'll definitely pop to the

3191
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top of the list

3192
02:37:09,381 --> 02:37:06,751
take it to my website which covers this

3193
02:37:11,001 --> 02:37:09,391
and of course we didn't get into you

3194
02:37:14,481 --> 02:37:11,011
know the various trips around the world

3195
02:37:17,831 --> 02:37:14,491
but those sorts of things you see

3196
02:37:21,981 --> 02:37:17,841
photographs and stories about what we

3197
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did with again ayahuasca ceremony ism

3198
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banda wama bleh thanks we'll definitely

3199
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have a link to your site and making sure

3200
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listeners to find it that don't even

3201
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have to google it just go to the power

3202
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cast calm the description and the show

3203
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notes for this episode they'll see it

3204
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unknown sometimes just plain shoptalk

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sometimes special guests sometimes

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continuing an episode we even had one on

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the Aztec New Mexico case with Monti

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Shriver who lived there and remembers

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episodes of haunted with Paul Campbell

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on how these Stevens available only to

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parent cast plus members dr. John V

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Alexander thank you for joining us on

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[Music]

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the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

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and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible